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Aug 17th, 2007, 9:39am
 
Hi Everyone,
haven't been on here much lately as been dealing with other stuff. Sorry to see that many of you are still having quite afew problems, especially Bead & Cazza.

Had a f/up appt with cardio today. Had a list of questions to ask him but feel a bit annoyed with myself as I didn't push to get the answers & ' or reassurance I needed.
He didn't call my palpitations on the trace ' ectopics ' he just drew a picture & explained that I was having a kind of short circuit thing going on that I suppose means extra electrical signals. I said 'are they just ectopics?' & I think he said yes. He said that I was having lots of them & long runs of them & that it would be a good idea to take betablockers. I think I asked again if they were benign & he said I want you to have an echocardiogram so they did that there & then. He said that showed that I had a completely structurally normal heart. Then he said that during one of the tests I'd had (not sure if it was the ECG or echo but I didn't notice it) that I'd had a run of irregular heartbeats & so I should take aspririn as well, I asked if he meant A-fib & he said yes.

By this time I'd been there nearly 3 hours & I was in a bit of a hurry to get out. But all afternoon I've been going over stuff in my head & worrying about it. I do this every time I see a cardio, instead of getting the answers I need I seem to end up with more.

I'm feeling pretty down about things today because I've been struggling with perimeno symptoms & my doctor has suggested HRT but the cardio said he wasn't keen on this. I asked him about the possible CAD  signs I'd had during a treadmill test 3 years ago & he said that if I wasn't breathless or having chest pain when going up hills / stairs then this was unlikely. I just can't seem to stop worrying about this. My 69 year old MIL had a stress test recently, she has smoked 40 a day for most of her life & she sailed through it with great results! I was pleased that she was OK but where have I gone wrong?!!!!

I have also just been diagnosed with CFS after 10 months of fatigue & exhaustion.
So when I went today I suppose I was hoping to be told that it's all benign-probably hormone &/or stress related but instead I feel like I've got more things to deal with. I know betablockers aren't ideal for people with CFS but I know that I'll have to take them. Hopefully they'll help a bit & I know they'll help with the anxiety & panic attacks.

He has only given me 25mg Atenolol so does anyone know if this low dose will affect my BP? Lately it has been on the low side - 90/60 but today when he took it it was 130/80 which isn't really a normal reading for me. I just hate taking medication & feel really scared about taking them, just wish I could talk to someone about my worries without feeling like a complete neurotic.
Thanks for listening, just needed to 'talk' to someone about my day!!
I will post some replies to others posts soon!
love Seffie xx
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Reply #1 - Aug 17th, 2007, 3:08pm
 
Sorry to hear that things are difficult. I find that I only remember the bad stuff a doctor tells me - I forget all the good/okay stuff, because I am expecting the worst.

All I can say is that I have read time and time again that irregular heart beats in a structurally normal heart are harmless - distressing, but harmless.

I read this again somewhere the other day and the doctor went on to say that when they tell you to take betablockers it is usually not to control the 'illness' - but simply to control the symptoms (eg palps, skips etc) and the distress they cause you. If you could not feel them and they did not worry you, they would not prescribe anything.  

If there was anything seriously wrong with your heart I'm sure you would be on something stronger than beta-blockers. It won't hurt to try the atenol, you can always stop taking it.

I am on hrt by the way (I'm 43 and had to have a hysterectomy 2 years ago). I feel okay - just the same as before (no better or worse). It made no difference to the frequency of my ectopics and my gynae didn't seem to think it was of any relevance. (I had the ectopics for a year before the hyst). I hope you feel better soon.
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Reply #2 - Aug 17th, 2007, 3:35pm
 
Hi saab,
thanks so much for your post. You are always qick to reply to people & you always have something kind & reassuring to say. Feeling very low tonight as I'm having a tough week. You post has really helped me, thankyou.
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Reply #3 - Aug 18th, 2007, 12:52am
 
Hi Seffie
I have just read your posting and find it interesting that you say you have CFS. My brother has had this severely for several years (except his doctor calls it ME) and I am starting to wonder if there isn't some kind of link between these kinds of things.
ie. no cure, no discernable cause for starting it all, except perhaps stress or anxiety. He has all sorts or weird things going on but he is not in the least anxious but the most laid back person out there (unlike me). It's almost as if ME is like anxiety without the anxiety.

It seems strange that he is disabled by ME to the point where he is home living with his parents at age 35! And that I am trying to fight this other battle with anxiety and having all manner of odd symptoms related to that.

I just wonder if your CFS and palpitations are linked and that is the cause.

Maybe you are feeling better today - I hope so. I am having a rough week so you're not the only one.

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Reply #4 - Aug 18th, 2007, 1:37am
 
Hi Bead, thanks for your reply. Sorry you're having a rough week too.
Also sorry to hear that your brother has ME. Not sure if there is a link between CFS & palpitations but I know lots of people with CFS report having palps.

I have had palps on & off for years though & I've had these brief chaotic & irregular runs on & off for the past 3 years, before I got the CFS but coinciding with a lot of stress in my life & hormonal changes.
Personally, I think that there is so much going on with me at the moment-perimenopause, CFS, anxiety & now a-fib that I just don't know what's causing what anymore.

I'm doing a lot of work on creating a healthier lifestyle for myself-diet, stress & anxiety management, supplements & pacing activities & I just hope that these things will all contribute to improving my health.
I have read a very interesting article re: that explains ME/CFD as some kind of mitochondrial failure & it discusses how CFS affects the heart. I may ask RLR to read it just to get his view on it. The doctor who wrote about this is very well respected in the field of CFS but there is so much stuff out there you really have to be careful what you read. There is also a lot of negative stuff about CFS so I'm trying very hard not to read that & just concentrate on the more positive & uplifting info / stories.
Hope you're feeling better today!
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Reply #5 - Aug 18th, 2007, 1:05pm
 
I am so sorry to hear that you are having a bad time at the moment.  I understand how fed up you must feel right now.  I have irregular beats a lot and have been told that all is fine but it does still worry me.  But people say that ectopics change and that is probably what it is.  But i get different things like that.  I find it a little odd really, but good for you, that while you were having this run of irregular beats that you never felt anything, seeing as you are sensitive and normally feel everything the same as we all do.  So could it have been positional or something, i can have things like that in different positions, or bent over, or through wind in the system.  Just a thought.xx
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Reply #6 - Aug 20th, 2007, 4:35am
 
Okay Seffie, I stand on a very certain side of the fence where chronic fatigue syndrome is of issue and will tell you here that I'm not of the opinion that it even exists. There are several voids in medicine where symptoms that cannot be explained otherwise tend to be swept up into a corner and labled something. I think that CFS is a reckless diagnosis and I've never once even considered hanging that tag around the neck of any patient I've ever seen.

I also think that the suggestion of a-fib may have been a bit strong. The use of aspirin in individuals with confirmed fibrillation is good because it prevents clots from forming where blood has pooled in the atria too long, but I very seriously doubt that such is the case where you're concerned at all. Fibrillation is an entire league apart from benign palpitations and the need to be concerned about clots with benign palpitations is nothing short of absurd.

The dose of atenolol is quite mild indeed and represents the lowest range dose possible. It can have very mild effects on blood pressure in some individuals, but your BP listed looks fine. You need not worry about it causing too low of a pressure. The body has thresholds that prevent this sort of thing with regard to the mild effects being discussed here. Many people with anxiety fear taking medications because it represents a loss of control at the point the pill is taken. In other words, once you've swallowed it, there's no turning back or hesitating any longer. It's now in your system and if something goes wrong, you're powerless to prevent it. It also represents another factor to worry about with regard to health concerns. Just to belay worries here, 25mg of atenolol represents virtually no risk whatsoever and actually has a mild anxiolytic effect as well. In other words, it can reduce anxiety. It's a good choice.

You're going to be fine, Seffie. If you feel uncomfortable with the recommendations by your cardiologist, then by all means it's considered prudent to get a second opinion. Find yourself and old and established cardiologist that's been around the block. I'll bet they'll give you an opinion far less catastrophic than what has been dealt here.

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Reply #7 - Aug 20th, 2007, 7:22am
 
Hi RLR,
thankyou so much for replying to my post. I have been feeling a little overwhelmed by everything this past week but am trying hard to stay positive about things. I understand your scepticism re: CFS, 2 of my other doctors don't recognise it either. However, this kind of fatigue & exhaustion is completely overwhelming & at it's worst I really feel so ill that I hardly know what to do with myself.

My own view is that when you're body comes under a lot of stress either from a virus or numerous stressful events then in some people, it's like a stage your body reaches where it needs time & rest to recover. I feel quite frustrated that the medical community can't agree on this as when you're suffering from these awful symptoms you just want help to get better. In my case I know that I wanted permission to rest, to take time off. I had a stressful 2 years & then just before I got hit with the exhaustion I had a very intense 3 weeks where the thoughts running through my mind were all 'I can't cope' & 'I'm overwhelmed by everything going on in my life'.

If you could find the time I would be very interested to hear your views on CFS as I have a very open mind re: these things. If you don't think CFS exists then what do you think could be going on? I know that psychological stress contributed to this for me, but can you tell me why I relapse if I physically overexert myself or if I get stressed  / anxious / upset. I can't seem to cope with demands & pressures of normal life ( I guess that's most of us!!!!) & if I overdo things the fatigue is often delayed by 1 - 4 days.
There are thousands of people out there for whom this is a very real condition, myself included. I do not want to feel like this & I am desperate to live a 'normal' life again.

Regarding the palpitations etc I think I feel OK about taking the BB's as it was either those or HRT & as you said, they may help with the anxiety anyway. I am going to make sure that the cardio sends a report to my doctor & then I can go over with her what he's said. I don't know where he picked up the
a-fib stuff from. In the past, my other doctor thought from my descriptions that I was having a-fib but because it was only for up to 10 seconds at a time & always converted to normal on it's own he said that it wasn't dangerous & that I shouldn't worry. I think it was very unprofessional of this cardio to tell me as I was virtually walking out the door 'oh, btw, here's some aspirin for the irregular beats' without properly explaining what this meant. If I hadn't said 'you mean a-fib?' to which he replied 'yes' then I wouldn't have known what he was on about.

You are so right about the pill phobic stuff! I know that this is all part of anxiety. I did a silly thing & googled aspirin (I know, I know!!) & now I'm too scared to take it because of the risk of internal bleeding. Doctors must hate dealing with patients like me, it must be very frustrating. I feel like I'm stuck between a rock & a hard place! Can't I just take garlic instead?!

If I do have a-fib then I'd like to know what kind it is as I understand that with lone a-fib (which might be what I have as heart structurally normal etc) then anti-coagulant therapy is not deemed necessary.
Do you think that it might be enough just to take the BB's? I can't easily see a different cardio here, the NHS doesn't really work like that. You have to kick up a bit of a fuss to get a 2nd opinion.
I shall definitely discuss it with my doctor to make sure that I understand what's going on.

One more question RLR, is a stress-echo more accurate than just a stress test at determining whether someone has CAD or not? When you have health anxiety statements like 'it's probably unlikely that you have CAD' are very hard to deal with-it's the control freak in me!!

Anyway, sorry that this is such a long post. I hope you can find the time to reply to my questions, I very much appreciate it!
Hope everyone else is doing OK!
love Seffie xx
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Reply #8 - Aug 20th, 2007, 10:24am
 
Chronic Fatigue Syndrome falls under the category of Syndromes of Unknown Origin. It was examined and dismissed by the CDC and I have to tell you that there are some incredibly smart folks working at the CDC. When reviewing the symptomatology, it smacks of the very symptoms associated with mood disorders such as depression and anxiety. Let's take a look:

At least 4 of the following for ≥6 mo*:

Impaired short-term memory severe enough to substantially reduce occupational, educational, social, or personal activities
Sore throat
Low-grade fever
Tender, enlarged, painful cervical or axillary lymph nodes
Muscle pain
Abdominal pain
Multijoint pain without joint swelling or tenderness
Headaches that are new in type, pattern, or severity
Unrefreshing sleep
Postexertional malaise lasting >24 h
Cognitive difficulties (especially with concentrating and sleeping


So there is a fairly exhaustive list of symptoms that aren't targeted at all, but extremely nebulous in nature, covering every aspect of discomfort humans charactiristically experience. I also will add here that in experience, patients tend to steer themselves toward this diagnosis because they absolutely refuse to accept that the body can demonstrate physical symptoms in the absence of physical disease. They want and need a label to reduce anxiety associated with not knowing. Holistic practitioners, chiropractors and herbal practitioners have leaped head-first upon the opportunities or opportunism that a diagnosis like this can bring their way in terms of clientele. Because the symptoms are so broad, the pathway to a cure is wide open for experimentation and speculation. If you care to test the hypothesis, try calling a host of folks in any of the quasi-professions mentioned and they'll readily tell you that they can help. They'll also come around to telling you that since it's a syndrome, it can only be treated and never cured. This equates to the statement, "you will need my services for the rest of your life."

I've heard and seen it all, from chiropractic adjustments to supplements and vitamins, self-help guides, psychological therapy, and even in one case, a holistic practioner who had strapped nickels to a patient's stomach and told to wear them to restore a heavy metal deficiency. Whenever a "syndrome" appears on the horizon, these folks come out of the woodwork as though they've possessed the cure all along.

It's important to note here that people undergoing stress from divorce, loss of a spouse or loved one, loss of income or a job, all report experiencing the very same symptoms. Certainly we can't suggest that these people are suffering from short-term chronic fatigue syndrome. We do know, however, that emotional mood and imbalances in neurochemistry can definitely produce physical symptoms.

By example, it's well-documented that in the case of depression alone, short-term memory is one of the hallmark features that often frightens the average patient who begins to speculate that something such as Alzheimer's may be at issue. In fact, short-term memory interference is so prevalent with depression, that it's also known as psuedo-dementia. The actual cause for memory problems in people with depression is due to simple inattention because they are fixated on ruminating thoughts and worries that distract them from attending to, and processing, information being presented to them. I would certainly never consider their memory problem to be chronic fatigue syndrome, even when it is often paired with aches and pains and lack of quality sleep that most people suffering from depression experience.

Let's briefly examine your fatigue. Like anyone else, I feel certain that you can recall earlier periods in your life where no task was too tall and it seemed as though energy was plentiful. If you'll work to pair these memories with their characteristic surroundings, I believe you'll also find that it occurred during "good" rather than "bad" or unfortunate circumstances. Even so, some people are known to thrive on challenging circumstances and find boundless energy to run headlong at problems. The point here is that your relative state of mind can have a tremendous impact on how you feel and whether you have the energy to take on life in certain instances. So what do you think happens to a person who is constantly under stress and getting less and less quality sleep? On this aspect alone, these individuals feel drained throughout their day. And if we add worries and rumination about long-term outlook on life? Where's there's no will, there's no energy to thrive because it all seems pointless. Now let's add the constant tension that devlops and translates to muscle aches and pains.

It's no small wonder that when the treatment alternatives for CFS are reviewed in the standard healthcare arena, anti-depressants and psychological support are at the top of the list.

If you were to tell me that your life has been a constant joy, with no regrets and full of the very zest of life that most people only dream of achieving and yet you suffer, I might be more receptive to the premise of something like CFS. Even without knowing, I suspect something different to be the case, certainly enough to bring the issue to question. If something in your life changes or effects you and you subsequently become ill, it suggests the presence of something other than a strange syndrome.

We'll talk more

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Reply #9 - Aug 21st, 2007, 9:22am
 
Hi RLR,
very interesting, thankyou for taking the time to post this.
Seffie xx
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