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I want to stop taking beta blockers.
May 26th, 2010, 5:00pm
 
Hi everybody,


So I've taken it upon myself to stop taking my beta blockers right now. My GP didn't want me on them anyway and I don't want to be on them either and RLR also said he wouldn't have even given them to me if he had been my doctor.

Well anyway, I haven't taken them for a couple of days and my heart has gone back to how it was before. Very fast on exertion (more than I feel comfortable with), beating hard (not faster just harder) and just generally uncomfortable. I seem to be having more chest pain again, I'm burping up more and more air and I'm feeling worse!

One of the reasons I decided to stop taking them is because I bought an exercise bike recently and I've been struggling to get my heart rate up past 130. I bought the bike so I could try and lower my resting heart rate and get off the beta blockers. However, being on beta blockers I have had to work really hard to get my heart rate to 140-150, hard enough that my legs fatigue too early and I have to slow down which makes my pulse drop even further to around 120.

But now that I'm not taking the beta blockers, I'm finding it TOO easy to get my heart rate to 140-150! I am only getting my speed to around 19km/h (the bike has a display which tells you speed, I don't know how accurate it is) which actually feels really slow. My heart rate goes to 150 very easily and I feel like it is going too fast for the amount of effort I put in.

Should I be trying to average somewhere in the middle of these two calculations, if I am to lower my resting heart rate?

65% intensity: (220 − (age = 22)) * 0.65 → 128 bpm
85% intensity: (220 − (age = 22)) * 0.85 → 168 bpm

RLR, is it also true that having a fast resting pulse like mine means that I have a significantly increased chance of heart attack? There is some text on Wikipedia that says a study concluded that those with a resting pulse of 70 or over were at a significantly increased risk of having a heart attack! Well my pulse is 90+ ALL the time, so does this mean that I am at significantly MORE risk than those with a pulse of 70? Which means I am even more significantly more likely to have a heart attack.

The article is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_rate

I am doomed. My heart rate almost never goes below 80-85. RLR, I also have another question that no doctor has ever given a straight answer to: if an average 22 year old guy was on a desert island and his heart rate was 150 BMP, how long could his heart last before he had something go wrong with it? Stupid question I know, but I've never been able to properly gague how much work our hearts can do before they start to strain.

I'm doomed to suffer some horrible death I'm sure. What can I do about my heart rate? It's really depressing me that I just can't slow it down. I'm not even anxious either. I know all the doctors say I am, but isn't it a requirement that you actually feel anxious, before you can say you have anxiety? I almost never feel anxious, only when I work myself over my heart rate. Yet, my heart is constantly 90+. I just don't get how my doctor can tell me that it's all anxiety when I don't even feel anxious. How can this be? I'm just getting more and more frustrated and angry about it because I just KNOW it isn't anxiety causing this rate.


Thanks for reading!  Grin
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Re: I want to stop taking beta blockers.
Reply #1 - May 27th, 2010, 8:05am
 
i thought you were ment to wean off blockers? i was only on 30mg proprnaolol, i went on this because my hr was sitting in the 90's too but only cos i was checking constantly! ne way i stayed on propranlol for only5 months but i exercised caught up on sleep and beat my anxiety which ment NO checking, after i had done all this thats when i weaned of my blocker, and my heart rate is lower now ive only checked it once. Im sure rlr will give you some great advice, cary on with your exercise tho Smiley
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Reply #2 - May 27th, 2010, 3:24pm
 
hey hunni
im currently taking the beta blocker bisoprolol 2.5mg twice a day and have been for a few months my doctor isnt worried an doesnt want me to strop them again lol as i stopped them when i started taking my prozac for like 2days and had a bad night wow sent my anxiety through the roof with my heartrate and had to go on diazepam so i cud stop listenong to my heartbeating through my chest so im not sure if its a good idead stoppoing them suddlenly i did it for 2dayus an was ok on the first day it was the second day my doc told me to stop them slowly by taking half a tablet...but my body didnt even lke half a tablet because my anxiety and adrenaline are so bad so now i take 2.5mg in the morning and one tablet at night which works better than just taking the one tablet i too was like u and wanted to come off them not because i wanted my heart rate faster i was jus very dizzy frm them but i hinestly cudsnt b without them at the moment no way not how they made me feel when i stopped them i do really need them ,im not tryin to scare u im just letting u knw my experince im sure u will be fine if u can get ur anxiety under control my dad came off them and was fine! just take it easy and enjoy ur exercise . if u were put on thee beta blocker for a fast heartrate frokm the anxiety why do u want to eleveate ur heart rate during exercise anyway??? i wud never want to do that no way just cringe at the fought....all the best c.xxx
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Reply #3 - May 27th, 2010, 3:47pm
 
I can tell you one thing. My resting heart rate is normal or a bit higher than normal when I had my stress test. Though it is weaker and slower lately but it is not our concern now. So that day as soon as I "started" walking on the treadmill, it jumped to over 100, then in one minute it was 120, and it kept going up to 180 in about 10 minutes. I could not complete the test but the reason was not my heart, but my legs. They were fatigued so I could not keep up with running.

What I mean is my heartrate can jump very easily and it does everytime I walk a bit fast, but I haven't noticed any problems with that. I believe that the body can cope with it.

by the way you keep saying you don't have anxiety, and you don't feel anxious, but this is also a sign of anxiety Grin otherwise you wouldn't pay this much attention to them Wink
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Reply #4 - May 28th, 2010, 12:58am
 
Hi everyone,

Thank you for the replies. I know, I do keep saying that I have no anxiety, but I just don't! I know denial is common with anxiety sufferers, but I'm just not anxious. I don't check my heart rate anymore, ever, except when I exercise and I strap my HR monitor on but that's just so I can make sure I am keeping my heart rate up to a good level for the duration of the exercise.

I fully realise and accept that I have no heart issue. I don't believe the issue lies with my heart at all, but there is *something* going on that's causing it to increase and it's not anxiety. I know, how do I know that? Well I just do. I know that's not good enough either but I just know! Maybe it's other emotions; anger, frustration with one's life, stress, etc. but it certainly ISN'T anxiety. I know I keep saying it, but how can it be anxiety when I don't feel anxious?

I have gastro issues so maybe it's something to do with that, I get trapped air in my stomach that makes me feel funny in the chest and makes my heart beat irregularly when I lie down, but since I've been taking peppermint capsules that's almost gone. I know there's something physical causing it. Maybe it isn't pathological, but it's definitely not just my thoughts!


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Reply #5 - May 28th, 2010, 4:14am
 
With regard to the "article" referencing resting heart rate and mortality, it was mentioned quite plainly that the research study was based upon persons with heart disease and under treatment. What part of that did you overlook? Additionally, Wikipedia is not a professional medical source whatsover but rather an open contribution encyclopedic program.

I am also constrained to point out something in your post that you should take careful note of, since it produces a rather glaring confound in your vigilent preferences where your heart rate is concerned. As you've explained, it is your decision to electively stop taking the beta blockers because you were struggling to get your heart rate above 130, while alternatively worrying about a resting heart rate in the 80s or 90s, and furthermore now find it too easy to produce heart rates in the 140-150 range in the absence of the medication, citing it to be too much too quickly in your opinion.

I'm not certain if you have paused in reflection concerning this entire matter, but you need to firmly understand that you have somehow chosen to make determinations about precisely how and to what levels your heart should be performing and have become apprehensive because it won't simply obey your expectations.

Anxiety at the levels you are experiencing exceed well be the sensations of situational apprehension, but rather produce physical manifestations. Your claim that it cannot possibly be anxiety is entirely groundless. Your postings alone clearly document anxiety regarding your circumstances. Your problem is that you fail to recognize the power of irrational fear and how it can produce unswerving adherence to beliefs that are based entirely upon subjective conclusions.

If your frustration and anger is growing, then I'd suggest that you pause to consider whether you may be the one that is wrong here. I don't necessarily need to point this out, but you are not a physician and have not been formally educated or trained to evaluate or diagnose human illness, disorders or diseases. You have somehow elected to believe in what you suspect to be a problem despite any evidence and professional opinion to the contrary. This represents a major problem and one that you need to admit if you're going to move beyond your present situation.

And I would gladly address the question you've posed wherein you have yet to obtain an answer, if you'd provide me with a location where I can post it because it would require about 30 pages. This again, is a factor that you fail to take into account and the very question that you pose is glaring evidence that you are over-simplifying an extremely complex science. The same fact holds true where your concerns about your own heart exist. You expect certain factors related to your heart to exist based upon your own perspectives and that anything outside of your expectations has been deemed pathological.

There's nothing wrong with your heart. Gathering information on the internet and electing to incorporate it in the absence of the requisite background can produce some rather striking results, the majority of which you are demonstrating. It also does not somehow confer the ability to properly or accurately detect the presence of some type of pathology of all things. In other words, you are attempting to do something which is impossible in the absence of the requisite education, training and experience.

You can continue your pursuits to whatever extent you can withstand, but I'm going to have to be very plain and firm with you here in stating that you do not know what you are talking about and are making gross errors because you are not formally educated or trained to either detect features which constitute pathology, nor accurately evaluate them.

Now I'm sorry if you're unable to see the reality here, but it's time for a young fellow like you to get to the business of living and stop worrying about things you have no ability to properly define. If you like medical science to such an extent, then my suggestion is to set your sites on gaining entry into medical school where you can receive the necessary formal training to participate in whatever manner you choose. You seem like a very bright young man, but you must somehow come to both understand and admit that what you are suffering from here is not heart problems of any nature whatsovever, but rather lack of insight where the matter is concerned.

Medically, your heart is fine and you need to reconsider the validity of your own claims where that is concerned.

Best regards and Good Health

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