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Sep 28th, 2011, 1:15pm
 
I’ve been dealing with palpitations (PVCs) for about 3 years. I initially noticed ‘skipped’ beats which absolutely got the best of me as I ended up going to the ER.

The result was a diagnosis of harmless PVCs further collaborated by a treadmill stress test. After a few days, I largely shrugged them off, however I must admit I became a bit more heart ‘aware’.

Fast forward to April 2011. Flying back home after a long work week, I suddenly noticed palpitations. Not the ‘pauses’ I had noticed before, but thumps! Normally I’m asleep at ‘wheels up’…not this time.

I managed to wrangle an appointment with my GP on the same day. The NP ran the EKG and came up with ‘Multifocal PVCs’. I think they scared her as much as the name did me.

The cardiologist, who did the original treadmill stress test, reviewed the EKG and said, ‘You’ve got PVCs’. He suggested Metoprolol to help mitigate the PVCs. When it seemed the PVCs actually got worse and I no longer could tell when I was hungry (low blood sugar, a hallmark of me and my siblings), I stopped taking it after 4 days. The PVCs started to slowly subside over a period of 5 days. I gave them no more real thought until…

The last week of August. Then they returned with a vengeance. I was out of town for the week and the PVCs pounded me with impunity. I felt lightheaded and rather uncomfortable the whole week. I thought they were getting better until Saturday morning. I felt lightheaded and the PVCs were unremitting.

This time I went to the Vanderbilt ER in Nashville. Surely, this time, a different diagnosis.  Nope, after a total of 3 hours, the verdict is, ‘You’ve got PVCs’. I was referred back to my cardiologist.

I setup an appointment for later that week. I explained to my cardiologist what I had encountered so far. So, we did an EKG and not a PVC to be found. We also did an echocardiogram that same day…not a PVC anywhere. We also did a 24 hour Holter.

We as I’m sure you’ve already figured out the echocardiogram came back a-okay and the holter recorded 133 PVCs in 24 hours. There have been days when it seemed like I was having 133 PVCs in an hour!

The PVCs seemed to largely disappear for the next two weeks.  Then, this week, they came back. I had a follow-up scheduled with my cardiologist for this week anyway so I figured this is perfect timing. No such luck…not a single PVC while I was in the office.

My cardiologist suggested that this was a lifestyle limiting issue. He went further to explain that my heart was just fine. He recommended a calcium channel blocker as I didn’t have a good experience with the previous beta blocker. I’m currently taking Altace (10yrs, 5mg), so the further suggestion is to take just the CCB as my BP is typically 134/84 in the office.

Is the CCB a good strategy?

One further ‘minor’ detail is that I was diagnosed with hereditary hemochromatosis in March 2011. Basically very mild iron overload at this stage with regular phlebotomies the treatment of choice.  However, once reoccurring theme is that ‘palpitations’ (which covers a lot of territory including PVCs) seem to be closely associated with hemochromatosis. If so, will getting the ferritin level down to the lower end of normal help mitigate my PVCs?

A footnote: I almost forgot that I've been taking Prevacid for 10 years...the OTC version since it came out. I've understood that PPI's can also contribute to 'palpitations' so I've been trying to transition to Zantac (H2). Much easier said than done.

I am probably spending too much time overanalyzing and trying to determine cause and effect. Unfortunately it's the byproduct of being an engineer. Right now, without a real understanding of what is going on, I'm constantly thinking about PVCs. At age 55, I would rather have my mind on something more enjoyable.


Many thanks for any input that you might be willing to share!
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Reply #1 - Sep 28th, 2011, 4:17pm
 
Okay, welcome to the forum and I've read your posting. I'll first respond by sharing with you that your predicament is quite common, shared by many persons who experience benign palpitations.

It's important for you to understand that these particular events are extra-cardiac in nature, meaning that they originate from outside the heart and more specifically, by way of the vagus nerve as a consequence of stress, anxiety and in equal instances, GI difficulties. It's purely a matter of physiology in motion and nothing to do with the palpitation events constituting a sign of trouble regarding your heart's performance.

One of the reasons that patients who experience this type of event become so frustrated is that their own perceptions lead them to believe that since the symptom is associated with the heart, then common sense dictates that the underlying cause is associated with the heart as well. Concerns are elevated because most people relate any irregularities associated with their heart to be a potential warning sign that something is wrong and that an impending cardiac event is looming. When you proceed to your primary care physician or specialist, the events more often than not subside and with very good reason; This type of harmless palpitation event is manifested by the parasympathetic nervous system. Apprehension about what the doctor might discover typically causes a rise in sympathetic tone that becomes dominant. Thus, the palpitations events temporarily subside.

From analogous perspective, you can think of the sympathetic nervous system as the accelerator pedal side of things, elevating heart rate and respiration, vasoconstriction and increased BP, decreased GI motility, increased cognitive vigilance and so on. It prepares the body for action. By contrast, the parasympathetic nervous system constitutes the brakes once action is completed, i.e. decreased heart rate and respiration, vasodilation and diminished BO, increased GI motility, decreased cognitive vigilance etc. These two nervous system components components create dynamics between activity and relaxation. So for instance, when your blood pressure rises to significant levels at the doctor's office, a phenomenon we call white-coat hypertension, it is due to elevated sympathetic tone as a consequence of apprehension and discomfort by what the doctor may find. Once everything has been determined to once again be okay, you find that your blood pressure lowers once again to a baseline more normal for you.

When the palpitation events do occur during diagnostic evaluation, they will technically appear as either paroxysmal atrial contractions or paroxysmal ventricular contractions depending upon precisely when they enter the cardiac cycle. The key issue, however, is the origin of the events. Beta-blockers work by reducing the amount of cardiac force necessary by the heart to carry out its functions. We use this drug primarily in instances where patients have experienced a cardiac insult of some type and in the presence of this drug, the heart doesn't have to work as hard. Beta-blockers also help regulate heart rhythm to some extent as well. An added benefit of the drug is that it produces a mild anxiolytic effect and for patients experiencing anxiety, this is a good option. Calcium channel blockers work by tempering the conduction activity of the heart as a means to reduce any irregularities in rhythm.

So we have two instances where drugs either work to reduce mechanical force by the heart or conduction patterns in order to safeguard against problems which might arise. Neither drug is effective in the instance of vagus nerve-induced palpitation events, which are more akin to the factors which produce a muscle twitch elsewhere in the body with the exception that in this particular case the muscle happens to be the heart. The mention of GI problems as one of several precipitating factors which lead to benign palpitation events is due to the fact that the vagus nerve innervates the GI tract as the pneumogastric nerve. Any inflammation, i.e. bloating within the lumen of the intestines, can exert physical pressure against the diaphragm and consequently produce wayward parasympathetic nerve impulses which travel along the vagus nerve to all of the terminal endings, one of which is naturally the heart. All that is taking place during a benign palpitation event is the heart muscle responding to a wayward nerve impulse, nothing more. So the drugs mentioned work quite well with respect to internal mechanical and conductive issues related to the heart, but they are unable to influence a basic external excitation from the vagus nerve. There are drugs such as scopolamine which can dampen vagus nerve activity that could theoretically diminish the potential for palpitations of this type to arise, but the side-effects make it far too contraindicated for use in treating such events.  

Benign palpitations are actually quite common and most humans have experienced them in the very isolated context of arising subsequent to being suddenly startled or frightened. I'm sure you've often heard someone speak about the aftermath of a sudden fearful event, exclaiming "Gosh! That made my heart skip a beat!" or "That made my heart leap out of my chest!" What these people are unwittingly describing is a vagus nerve-induced palpitation event. It's temporal proximity to a fearful occurrence establishes reasonable cause and therefore, persons experiencing them do not rush to their doctor with fears that something is wrong with their heart. It is deemed a logical manifestation as a consequence of being suddenly frightened.

In the case of chronicity, however, the patterns are much different. In such instances, persons with frequent palpitations in the absence of a direct known cause results in the establishment of fear and apprehension consistent with the duration of the symptoms.

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Reply #2 - Sep 28th, 2011, 4:55pm
 
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Its critical for you to realize that the brain responds in a very specific manner to fears of unknown origin and proximity, a process known as fight-or-flight response. Typically, when fear or apprehension reach certain levels, the brain reverts to a very archaic and genetically programmed survival mode because the interpretation is that survival is being threatened. Explicit changes in physiology are mounted in order to either fend off the threat or alternatively escape from it. Vigilance is produced because no rational and logical connection can be made between the palpitation events and their origin, instead one that portends possible catastrophic outcome from a forthcoming cardiac event of some type, a premise being driven by irrational concerns of the individual. The brain responds identically regardless of whether the threat is real or merely perceived to be real. Thus, the body remains in a chronic state of alertness and the associated physiological manifestations are most often misconstrued as symptoms of some underlying organic disease. They often describe feeling generally ill and a constant vigilance to health is established in many cases. This is why people affected by such a condition are simply unable to turn their attention elsewhere because the brain will persist until the threat is resolved and safety is once again the predominant perspective.

So the key to resolving the problem here has nothing whatsoever to do with seeking more definitive diagnostic testing, for the problem is not organic in nature. You must come to develop a greater understanding of the cause for the palpitation events and more critically, know the absolute incapacity of the events to actually cause you any harm. Know that benign palpitations can never cause any type of cardiac event to occur, nor wear out your heart muscle, nor transform into some type of dangerous arrhythmia. It's not medically possible by the sheer nature of their origin. You can undertake any activity you choose without fear that doing so will cause a problem to arise. Remember, it is the brain's response to irrational conclusions that causes you to seek safety in what you do. You presently believe that you are in danger, regardless of how you may suppress the perception, it is nevertheless there and persists because the brain is no more certain than you are that a threat doesn't exist and is looming. You must turn off this mechanism by establishing a logical understanding of the events as entirely incidental and harmless, a fact that is undeniable.

I'm not certain what type of engineering you practice, but as such a professional you rely upon the accuracy of mathematical functions to overcome impracticalities. You trust the outcome because it is based upon known facts. With respect to your palpitation events, you are violating obedience to this very same law, instead drawing conclusions based upon simple cause and effect relationships which in reality, do not exist. In order to diminish the problem here, you must rely upon the same infallible rules used in deliberation of engineering problems.

Benign palpitations do not constitute a risk to your heart or health in general by virtue of their true origin. Their presence and persistence is the result of irrational conclusions drawn in the absence of known facts, more derived through speculation that is being supported by information related to heart function and disease which is entirely irrelevant. You must establish a revolution in the manner you perceive the events, realizing that their persistence is the result of your beliefs about their potential. It is a common human error to seek a cause and effect relationship in many things we wish to understand. As a professional engineer, you must overcome this potential by resolving it within the realm of logic and come to understand with conviction that you are in no danger whatsoever.

Incidentally, while palpitations are among the side-effects reported with PPI treatment, I would submit that the palpitation events are actually the result of the problem being treated with them and not the drug itself. Any side-effects must be listed for any drug being used in clinical trials and it is not always clear whether the emergence of such patterns are clearly induced by the drug's mechanism of action.

You're going to be just fine. The answer to your dilemma rests entirely within your ability to overcome what you presently believe exists so that you can once again feel safe. A reduction in these patterns actually positively corresponds with a reduction in the palpitation events and other manifestations associated with the actual underlying cause.

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Reply #3 - Sep 29th, 2011, 9:29am
 
Dear Dr. Rane,

Thank you for your insightful and informative response. I’m not sure that I’ve read anything any better written in quite a long while.

You honed in something that I had long forgotten or taken for granted, ‘You trust the outcome because it is based upon know facts’. I suspect that this just might be the crux of the issue at hand.

Engineers, as a rule, tend to thrive on facts (as well as logic). Alter the expected outcome (regardless of the facts) and you’ll have a rather perturbed engineer. However, it’s generally accepted (grudgingly) that occasional ‘alterations’ are something that you have to deal with (i.e. Upper Management wanted a different outcome).

The problem that comes into play is when ‘occasional alterations’ become the norm. Unfortunately that seems to be what I’ve experienced the past 3 years. My contemporaries and I have discussed this subject at length. Any concerns that we’ve had have been largely dismissed.

So you tell yourself, ‘Learn to live with it, you’ve got a good job, etc.’ However, I’m beginning to wonder if I haven’t started to be less sure of my outcomes regardless if they are professional or personal.

If my sense of confidence has been unwittingly eroded, perhaps it explains my seeming unwillingness to accept the facts and the resultant outcome as my cardiologist has explained. It’s an interesting premise.

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Reply #4 - Sep 29th, 2011, 10:52am
 
I was interested to read your reply, Engineer. I have gone from being a pretty logical person to seeing logic and common sense fly out the window where my palpitations are concerned. It's a struggle but I am working hard to take a more logical and scientific approach to my pvc's, which means in essence accepting that the chances are that the doctors who have conducted all the numerous ekg's and tests are correct and my own thoughts and worries are the product of an over-anxious mind.

I still struggle with anxiety over them, after 7 years, and I would urge you to accept your doctors advice now and move on with your life rather than waste time waiting for the catastrophe which is not going to happen.
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Reply #5 - Sep 29th, 2011, 4:24pm
 
Indeed, the perceived forfeiture of professional standards in any context can give rise to significant stress and anxiety. It's important in such instances to realize that the moment anyone alters your work product, or instructs you to alter such product, it is no longer under your authorship regardless of what may be presumed by any person.

While the difficulty experienced is testimony to the challenge being directed toward your character and adherence to principles, an inflexible perspective can only yield a singular outcome. It is very often the case that a professional's work product is manipulated for the sake of another's goal. Outcomes are manipulated with regularity due to the broad interests all vying for the most ideal result.

The key for professionals who constitute the actual backbone of principles and ethics must only view applicability up and to the point their work product is manipulated by others, or where they are directed to provide a specific result or outcome. Subsequently, as is the case with many such professionals, a personal reservoir is often established where the accuracy and adherence to one's professional standards are maintained. This coffer becomes the realm wherein continuity is maintained between the professional and their work product, unblemished by efforts of others to whom they they are nevertheless responsible. In doing so, the separation between the work product and any variable outcome is established and permits the professional's internal standards to remain intact and a clear distinction is held in record between what was originally yours and what has come under the influence and ultimate authorship of another.

Factors which come into play in such instances are known as ego-syntonia and ego-dystonia. Ego-syntonia constitutes your alignment with the principles so vital to the accuracy of your profession, rigidly maintained in order that confidence in your skills is unquestioned. Ego-dystonia constitutes the repulsion from thoughts or actions which may be unavoidable in some way and which establish unwanted representations of your self-identity and self-concept.

There are many strategies incorporated by persons who find themselves under self-scrutiny of this type, one familiar example arises from the approach that "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em." This sort of approach is typically adopted by persons find assimilation through release from the objections which bind them. Others find themselves incapable of violating their self-standards and principles regardless of the consequences. This sort of extreme inflexibility is on the other end of the spectrum and produces variable psychological dissonance, or ego-dystonia. Persons so conflicted can rise up in anger, even violence in order to avoid any relegation to a lesser of personal standards.

The key to success in a world where all factors are not always under the control and influence of individuals is to establish measures by which one's standards remain above question and influence, while also yielding to those who may elect to bring challenge to one's principles.

Thus, while such measures are different in each case, methods are devised to achieve a genuine ego-syntonic plateau by divorce of any relationship to intellectual or tangible production that by any other influence, is no longer yours. In fact, this is quite true indeed and in so many instances throughout societal concourse, we see clear evidence of this very procession. By engaging in this medium, we are able to protect the sanctuary of principles and standards by not only relinquishing ownership, but personally declaring invalid any production which has been subject to any measure of influence other than our own. In doing so, it becomes an act of protection to our self-concept and the abolishment of any wayward guilt which may be imposed by feeling compelled to retain ownership and representation of production no longer ours.

Introspection, or internal exploration often brings objectivity into light regarding circumstances that give rise to challenges which are very often self-imposed. Identifying suitable methods to win these struggles is very instrumental in restoring one's place in life and once again under individual, rather than shared, control. It is the deliberate movement away from feeling divided by outside influences and becoming centered once again that restores self-confidence. The methods by which this is actually achieved are quite variable indeed, with the paramount commonality being that it is performed in a manner acceptable and thus, ego-syntonic in nature.

Quiet objection prevents men from being led while luring the fool into believing he leads.

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Reply #6 - Jan 1st, 2012, 7:21pm
 
Dear Dr. Rane,

When we last corresponded, I was still trying to come to grips with the fact that PVCs are harmless. That the physical manifestations (thumps, bumps, occasional lightheadedness, etc) didn't mean a thing.

Over the past 3 months, I'd have occasional 'flareups' but managed, most of the time, to put them in their proper perspective. I can readily say however that I still had a couple of days of excessive worry.

All in all though, I was doing pretty well, that is until Christmas Day. My PVCs decided to kick things up a notch.

The thumps, bumps, and occasional lightheadedness returned with a vengence. Sitting down I was fine...moving about, the PVCs made their presence known.

I finally just got frustrated (read 'mad') and decided to walk my  normal 1 mile loop. (One short downhill stretch, everything else uphill). Needless to say, I completed the circuit, breathing moderately, but not out of breath.

As I was recovering, I noticed that when my pulse was approximately 100 bpm, it suddenly transitioned to about 70 bpm for about 10 beats, then back to 100 bpm.

It did this a couple of more time before dropping to 90 bpm and then my  PVCs showed back up. 3 beats, pause, 3 beats, pause, 4 beats, pause and so on and so forth.

The odd thing is that this didn't bother me at all. I was feeling good after the walk and I was able to view the PVC episode rather detachedly.

Sometimes I wonder if my heart isn't quite sure what my resting heart rate should be. To use a feeble car analogy, 'it seems to run fine at highway speeds, but the idle needs some work'.

Being on vacation the past couple of weeks hasn't helped I'm sure. It's allowed me extra time to worry about me.

The underlying worry I know is that perhaps I'm unknowingly damaging my heart. I tend to believe that that isn't the case...however.

I'm curious to know if this latest episode is of any signifigance or just another episode possibly brought about the stresses of the holidays?

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Reply #7 - Jan 3rd, 2012, 4:15pm
 
Okay, nothing at all out of the ordinary here. Heart rate variability following exercise is entirely normal in the manner you describe. We only become concerned when there is an extended refractory period following exercise which exceeds the normal timeframe. This is not the case where your own circumstances are described.

What produces the ultimate need to seek reassurance is a constantly growing pattern of subjective interpretations that invoke apprehension because they are not based upon facts, but unfounded speculation upon which you can neither confirm nor deny. It has simply drawn the issue to such a level that you feel compelled to rule out a problem which in reality, never existed as a problem at all, but merely inconsistent by what you have previously known.

The human body does not function with the precision of a fine watch, but rather within a range or normality. We are biological entities and the attribute in our favor is that anything less than perfect precision still represents normal in most all instances, the heart included. The problem with health anxiety and vigilance to physiological functions is that people draw a standard that in their mind constitutes normality and any consequently, any deviation represents a problem.

The presence of palpitations will never damage your heart, nor deprive you of evan as much as a second of a full life. You can continue to exercise as much as you care to within the constraints of normal moderation suggested for any person.

As for the PPIs, they do not "cause" palpitation events. This is merely reported as a side-effect by patients taking the drug during clinical trials and regardless of the actual cause, all side-effects must be listed as reported by the patient. In actuality, the vagus nerve innervates the GI tract as the pneumogastric nerve. Any GI inflammation, alteration in GI function or changes in bowel habits, distention as a result of trapped gas within the intestinal lumen can press against the diaphragmatic musculature or gastro-esophageal junction. Consequently, these disturbances are sufficient to induce wayward evoked potentials, or nerve impulses, which travel upward along the vagus nerve proper to its terminal endings, one of which is the heart, resulting in a response by the heart in the way of a vagus nerve-induced palpitation event. So the presence of the events within the timeframe of PPI treatment during the clinical trials caused patients to believe the medication has a causal effect regarding the palpitations.

Switching from a PPI to an H2 antagonist is certainly an elective choice, but I'm constrained to point out that it will not likely produce any change in the presence, frequency or intensity of vagus nerve-induced palpitation events. Of incidental note, such changes do often occur as a placebo effect in persons who believe certain medications or supplements can have a positive influence upon the palpitations based upon what they are told by others or read for themselves and make the natural presumption. This is very common with beta-blocker drugs that are often prescribed in efforts to reduce symptoms, or alternatively magnesium supplementation. Many describe variable patterns of subjective relief, only to find the events returning within several weeks to a month.

To use your own analogy, if your automobile suffered a flat tire you would very likely be able to diagnose and remedy the problem. If, however, the MAF sensor was causing harmless but sometimes dramatic disruption with the car's performance, you might speculate many things to be the source. Some of those speculative causes might be minor, together with others that constitute major automotive work and which produce a degree of apprehension about repair costs.

The same is true of your heart and the presence of palpitations. Without the proper medical background and experience, any number of potential causes and outcomes rise to the occasion and produce a good deal of apprehension. To the trained healthcare professional, the actual facts surrounding the difficulty is typically light-years' distant from what the patient speculated and worried about with a good deal of apprehension and even fear.

You're fine and there is nothing wrong with your heart. You are in no danger as a result of the presence of vagus nerve-induced palpitation events. They arise from outside the heart, not within and their capacity to do you any degree of harm is altogether impossible due to their actual origin and function. By analogy, these palpitations can no sooner damage your heart or produce a cardiac event than plugging in your toaster will cause your sink faucets to leak. They are entirely unrelated and share no causal relationship. The same is true regarding the palpitations and your heart. I've often used the analogy of a telephone to illustrate this premise as well. Many people have accidentally dialed the wrong number, only to have the unintended electrical signal activate the phone of the unintended recipient. Simply because the signal was accidental, does not constitute damage to the phone because it is designed to respond to this type of electrical impulse, nor does it suggest that the unintended recipient must now stand guard to try and ensure that no subsequent erroneous calls take place.

The same is true of the palpitation events and your heart. These impulses are entirely benign and arise as a consequence of irregular stimulation and once they reach the heart, the cardiac tissues respond as they do in any instance of nerve impulse transmission. Simply because it occurs does not even remotely suggest that it has to be pathological or that the events will somehow damage the heart. It is an entirely benign event and no different than other wayward nerve impulses which cause tissues to react in unfamiliar ways, such as the twitching of an eyelid from time to time.

You'll be just fine. Nothing at all wrong here.

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Reply #8 - Jan 4th, 2012, 12:38pm
 
Dear Dr. Rane,

I had to chuckle at your analogies, which I believe are spot on! I can see where, from the symptoms presented, you're left scratching your head as to how the patient arrived at the resultant conclusion that was presented to you…especially if your years of practice would lead you to an entirely different conclusion.

I submit that, for the most part, we pay very little attention to our bodies when we are younger. But upon reaching our forties, fifties, etc. (somewhere in there) we come very aware of our own mortality. 'Why can't I run up that hill like I used to?' Reality would say that was 40 years and 40 pounds ago. But many times we don't want to hear what is obvious or logical. But that is a rather static outcome...that is, no matter how many times I 'run up the hill', I'll never do it as well as I did when I was 15. I may lose the weight, but I'll not regain lost youth. I don't want to hear it or think it, but I know that it is the truth.

The problem with palpitations (PACs, PVCs, etc.), as I see it, is that they typically aren't static but rather dynamic. I can’t predict when they'll occur or even how they'll occur or manifest themselves. For me I believe that puts me in a state of watchful vigilance. If I run up the hill, I'm fairly certain of the outcome. In the case of palpitations, I have no idea what event triggers the palpitations nor do I know the outcome (manifestation) when they present themselves (or how I’ll deal with them).

The fact that the manifestation can be variable (thump, bump, 1, 2, 3, pause, 60bmp, 84bmp, etc.) for no 'apparent' reason is very disconcerting. Especially for someone who is very cause and effect oriented.

Much to my chagrin, I have determined that both of my sisters are dealing with heart palpitations. (Neither of them gives them a second thought, unlike me). Two of the three of us has been tested (and positive) for hemochromatosis. (I suspect that we all three have hemochromatosis). Supposedly, palpitations can be a symptom of hemochromatosis. However, neither of us (who were tested) had a Ferritin above 470 which apparently is well below the average trigger point for hemochromatosis symptoms.

My Ferritin is now down to 186 (after monthly phlebotomies). I could almost tie the appearance of palpitations to the second full week of the phlebotomy cycle. However, I'm not sure if that's just nothing more than a fluke as I’ve been dealing with palpitations for 3 years and well before the hemochromatosis diagnosis.

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Reply #9 - Jan 4th, 2012, 6:00pm
 
Hello Engineer,
I have been reading your discussion with Dr. Rane and found it very interesting.
I am an engineer as well and I work at solving problems and finding root causes. You can now imagine that founding the root cause for my PVC's has been a total failure, I have graphed all the factors I could think about and was not able to find a pattern, after that frustration, fear and anxiety took me into their hands. Gladly I found this website and other friends that have helped me very much to release and finally accept that it is ok not to have the control of everything and not to know exactly the cause of everything. It is hard because you have been trained to do exactly the opposite and if you add the bad company of the anxiety that is there to whisper you the scary "what if  x happens?", you can be trapped.
However I think everyone needs to go through his/her own path to overcome this problem, I am done with gathering data and trying to look for the cause, I decided (and this was a conscious decision) to believe in Dr. Rene explanations, I decided to feel fine even if the palpitations exist, I decided that I wanted my life back. I am still in the process and I still have hard moments but I am not backing up on my decision.

I wish you all the best in your own process and when you finally overcome it, please write back and tell everyone.

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Reply #10 - Jan 22nd, 2012, 9:42am
 
Dear Dr. Rane,

My palpitations ended up running from 12/25/11 to 1/6/12. From the 6th until the 15th, I was largely 'palpitation free'. This in turn allowed me to feel like my old self.

Unfortunately, then the palpitations started up, but  rather sporadically. At first I was able to keep my mind on other things, but as always seems to be the case, they ultimately get my full attention.

Something that I completely forgot about is that my testosterone is about 109. The theory at this time is that the low testosterone level is the result of Hemochromatosis.

My Endocrinologist is theorizing that the testosterone levels 'may' reestablish at a more normal level once the excess iron is dealt with. In the ensuing months I've seen my testosterone level go from 107, 225, 275, and then 109.

This, to say the least, has been exasperating. However, I'm wondering if this variability is some effect on the appearance, duration, and severity of my palpitations?

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