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Heart Palpitations over slightest little things
Dec 04th, 2011, 4:58pm
 
Hi, i am wondering of anyone can help. PLEASE!! I have been having palpitations for the last 2 years. I know the exact first day i first got them. i will try and explain it briefly here and would love to hear all of your comments. i went out partying a little hard one night. we ended up doing some "party powder", then went back to another party and i ended up drinking some spirits. then got home at 9am the next morning. when i was becoming sober i noticed my heart beating so fast it panicked me.

By the way the powder i took was stuff that was "not illegal" at the time it was sold in "head" shops as a "plant food", but was bought by huge number of people because they couldnt get arrested even if they were caught with it (legal loophole). needless to say it was the first and last time i went near it.

Anyway, i tried to leave it for a couple of hours to see if any improvements, but my heart stayed the same speed. i think my bpm was around 130-160 but seems to be getting faster rather than slower so i called and ambulance. When i got the the hospital they made me wait for about an hour, then they gave me half a valium to try calm my heart rate, then the other half another half hour later. Still no improvement.

They then gave me a beta blocker, that dropped my heart rate down from 170 (at this stage)to around 90 bpm. After taking the beta blocker thats when i noticed my first ever palpiation. like a very intense beat coming from the top part of my heart. i then had around a dozen more throughout the next hour. The nurse then sent me home and said i may experience occasional fast heart rates over the night. kept getting these palpitations on the journey home. very scary.

The problem with the above is that i now have palpitations nearly every day. The 10 days after coming fom the hospital was very worrying, had massive hard palpitations every couple of seconds. thought i was going to go into cardiac arrest.

Now i get palpiations for every least little thing. Rarely i can last a whole 3 days without getting them.

Note i am 30 years old, have always excercised. eat well and have not got a family history of heart disease. Although my Grandmother was diagnosed with angina when she was around 40. she had a stroke around 15 years ago, shes now 80.

I have had a stress test, no problems. Also bloods came out ok. also low cholestorol count.

I do suffer from anxiety and stress. I was prescribed Atenolol for the palpitations but i do not want to take them, i feel im too young to start medications. but when i do take them i dont get any palpitations and my heart rate slows right down. Can your heart be dependant on these? if i took even a half a beta blocker my palps dissapear but seem to reappear the next day even worse. Also have severe panic attacks before falling asleep, typically a couple of days after taking the beta blocker.

Would love to know if anyone else experiencing anything similar to this, i also would love to know if i could have damaged my heart from the beta blockers changing my BPM from 170 - 90 in the space of 20 mins or so?

Sorry about length of post but i need to know if i have damaged my heart beyond repair!!???!!!?? Stupid mistake of 2 years ago i still haunting me.
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Reply #1 - Dec 8th, 2011, 6:49pm
 
Nothing of your description even remotely suggests that you've damaged your heart. The palpitation events are a consequence of the existing stress and anxiety, which has more than likely been significantly elevated by fears that you've irreversibly damaged your heart.

By your description of the compound consumed, it apparently had a stimulant effect and the brief exposure in such an instance would have no lasting or late effects of the nature which concerns you.

My suggestion here is to move forward and reflect upon the insight which you have gained from introducing substances into your body that in instances unlike this one, can indeed have irreversible effects.

You'll be just fine. I see nothing here to suggest anything is actually wrong with your heart or nervous system at all, other than the level of apprehension and worry the circumstances have produced.

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Reply #2 - Dec 9th, 2011, 1:44pm
 
Hi Rutherford,

Thanks so much for the reassurance. You are correct, the worry that i might get them normally makes them come on. Now they come on with any slightest form of anxiety. I get them sometimes when i am relaxing but mainly when i come into contact with people in work etc. I dont get them often when in the presence of family members, which is strange. When i am in a meeting in work for example, i get them very frequently and it stops me being able to work to my full potential. I normally have to stay in the background.

Because these seem to be more frequent i am worrying that they will take over my life and i will become a nervous wreck.

Another worrying thing is that i had fairly bad "hard beats" in various parts of the heart last week, i decided i would go out for a hard jog that night. I was thinking, maybe if i run fast it will reduce my BPM later. I felt great during the run, and afterwards but woke up the next morning with a terrible stabbing/burning feeling directly behind my left side of my chest (centre of top of heart). This pain lasted 10 minutes, until i got out of bed. But the pain actually woke me up. Now some mornings i get it and some mornings i am fine. I told the dr about this 2 days ago, when it was really bad. He then wrote a letter for me to go to the A&E in hospital. The doctor there said he couldnt find anything wrong (checked my bloods, family history, blood pressure, heart rate and all turned out fine)

This is a little bit bazzar to me but he said that i should not worry about palpitations. He is sending me for a 24 hour holter monitor to see what type of palps im getting. I seem to get them all over the heart but mainly top of heart.

Would love to hear your comments on this further information. I will be monitoring the pain, to see if its only the next morning after exercise, or if its from stress, or if it random.

Also i would love to know if anything can be done to stop palpitations, either herbally or medicinally because i cant leave my current business as i set it up only 1.5 years ago and put a lot into it.
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Reply #3 - Dec 10th, 2011, 4:27am
 
Hard or forceful beats are merely the consequence of increased cardiac force, a mechanism induced by the cardiac center in the brain as a result of feedback concerning blood pressure. Realize that the most predominant goal relating to blood pressure is to maintain perfusion to the brain, or adequate blood pressure and circulation, the absence of which would result in unconsciousness. Many instances can induce brief downward spikes in blood pressure, including benign palpitation events. Baroreceptors, or pressure sensors, in the ascending carotid arteries sense these changes and send feedback to the cardiac center in the brain, which responds by quickly increasing cardiac force. This is the most rapid method for restoring blood pressure to ensure perfusion at adequate levels.

Indeed, there is no need to worry about the palpitation events because they do not constitute a warning sign at all. They are nothing more than the rough equivalent of a muscle twitch that you might experience elsewhere in the body, with the exception that the muscle in this instance happens to be the heart. You are fearful because you are speculating about the capacity of the events to do you harm. They have no such capacity and are entirely dissociated from any type of arrhythmia which could be of concern. Realize that palpitations which occur from within the heart result from factors that are challenging the heart's ability to perform. By contrast, vagus nerve-induced palpitations merely constitute wayward nerve impulses which cause tissues to respond. The fact that the heart muscle is extremely dynamic and in motion during such stimulation causes the affected individual to sense what feels to be a disruption of their heart's rhythm. Realize that the momentary disruption is not of the electrical system which maintains your heart's function, but merely an additional nerve impulse which produces reaction by the muscle tissues themselves.

You're in no danger whatsoever as a result of the presence of benign palpitations. I was a physician and specialist for more than 40 years and in all that time, I never even once heard of a case wherein a patient succumbed to any type of cardiac event or harm whatsoever as a result of experiencing benign palpitations of the type that you and others on this forum are experiencing. Not one. In fact, I know of no such recorded case in the annals of medical literature as well.

Benign is benign and there is no gray area which can be cast upon such a premise.

You can engage your business all you care to without fear that the palpitation events are placing you at risk. They are not, nor will they ever because they lack the actual capacity to do so. They are the consequence of stress and anxiety but do not impose a health risk. The less you become afraid of them, the less they will occur because in actuality, it is the fear which is producing changes in physiological response and compelling their presence.

You're going to be just fine. Your tests will turn out entirely negative and you are in no danger whatsoever.

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Re: Heart Palpitations over slightest little things
Reply #4 - Dec 28th, 2011, 3:51pm
 
Hi Again,

thanks again so much for the re-assurance. But with absolute and severe persistance in trying to find some way of reducing the palpitations i have finally managed to find a help.

I found online people talking about various types of medications. I am against prescribed medicines if there is a herbal alternative.

I found magnesium. By taking 150mg tablet of magnesium in the morning i have noticed a total slow down of palpitations and my heart rhythm seems much better. Sometimes i still get them but they have improved my life for the better, thank God. I also take coq10 with them as i have read that its very healthy for the heart and reducing blood pressure. I never had high blood pressure but i did a test in a cheist before and it stated "Pre-Hyertension". This to me is the preliminary stage of high blood pressure so better fight it off earlier.

Anyway i would recommend people try magnesium. For me it was an instant relief. Also i have read that most people are lacking in the RDA of magnesium but get overloaded with Calcium. I cant understand this because we need both elements the same. And please note, Magnesium naturally reduces blood pressure. Please do some research and tell me if i am wrong.

I am praying that if i reduce anxiety, stress, caffeine, sugars and alocholgol from my diet and take heart healthy supplements i can someday completely beat these terrible, terrible palpitations.

I will also keep you posted as to whether the magnesium is still helping, but so far so good in the 3 weeks i have been taking them,.

Also i have reduced my intake of calcium because i heard that it slows down magnesium intake, therfore reducing the beneficial magnesium absorbtion into the body, thats what i read anyway.
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Reply #5 - Dec 29th, 2011, 2:14pm
 
Okay, the topic of your posting regarding having found an answer to your palpitation dilemma is not new to this forum. There is no scientific evidence to even suggest that taking supplemental magnesium will produce any type of treatment or curative effect regarding the presence of benign palpitations. The response you are describing within the timeframe mentioned is merely a placebo effect and typically only lasts several weeks.

The information you provide is also incorrect that most people are magnesium-deficient by the claim that they do not obtain the recommended daily allowance. This is simply not true and magnesium deficiencies are quite rare and only exist secondary to co-existing morbidity, ie diabetes, alcoholism, etc.

Additionally, magnesium is required for calcium absorption and not the other way around. You are actually referring to the action magnesium has on parathyroid hormone and its relation to intracellular calcium.

This is a medical website and is not rooted in herbal remedies, vitamins and supplements or alternative approaches to healthcare. Furthermore, recommendations to take these products based upon subjective experience is frowned upon heavily. The members to this forum have been subjected to all sorts of claims that vitamins, minerals, supplements, acupuncture and a host of other concoctions will effectively treat or cure benign palpitations. These products do not provide such remedy.

It should also interest you to know that the majority of lab reports which demonstrate elevated magnesium are due entirely to oral supplementation by the patient. While most excess magnesium can generally be excreted as waste, some cases wherein the process is inadequate can result in toxic effects of excess magnesium.

While you are certainly free to share your progress and to participate in the forum otherwise, making recommendations is not a part of that activity unless you are a licensed medical doctor.

Best regards,

Rutheford Rane, MD (ret.)
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