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Thyroid tsh 4.0 ,spasms, skipped heartbeat,pain
May 29th, 2012, 4:07am
 
For over the last years i´ve been having problems with my chest.
I wrote this earlier. spasms around breastbone, skipped heart beats, pain in chest. rapid heartbeat during a minor exercise, and so on.
I have had numerous check ups and so far so good.

The only thing that is a bit odd is my thyroid THS and T4 serum values.
THS is climbling slowly till now 4.0  (must be in the range 0.4 -4 and sometimes 4.3)
T4 14.2  (must be in 11-25 range).

Reading in thyroid studies, my TSH is rather on the high side of normal so you could speak of a possible slow working thyroid.

My doc isnt concerned and he dont want to sent me to a specialist.
Is there a correlation with my symptoms? and what should I do?
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Re: Thyroid tsh 4.0 ,spasms, skipped heartbeat,pain
Reply #1 - Jun 1st, 2012, 8:43am
 
I´m having a strange new symptom. My hands and feet have a tingling feeling and sometimes prickles/needle pins and when taking a warm bad, my hands burn like needle and pins feeling and lot of itchy feeling

More and more worried
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Reply #2 - Jun 5th, 2012, 8:04am
 
its getting more and more complicated.
Last sunday I experienced a huge attack of hyperventilation /chronic hyperventilation..  My father who visited didnt trust it and rushed me to the hospital. I told him not too worry cause this must be my CHV I told him. Like I said he didnt trust it..I was trembling and shaking, had pain in my feet and arms ..tingling an prickling.. the feelings I had for days like I wrote you guys..  In the hospital they indeed saw Chronic hypervantilation levels of bloodgass  and a 100% saturation of oxygen ..
What they didnt understand was my prickles and tingling and painfull feet (frontpart) and toes and the weird prickling in my hands..  it could be due to the hyperventilation but when I told them i had this for days and increasing over days they dindt know for sure..

they thought it could be polyneuropathy ... so now I panicked..
how do I know the difference between needles and pins prickles and tingling cold feelings in my toes and feet and my hands and wrists and bit underarm and leg below knee.. and much cold and painful toes and fingers..  as a symptom of CHV chronic hyperventilation or a polyneuropathy due to an illness?

the hospital checked some reflexes and if I had feeling in my toes..and that was ok..but they say that dindt say everything  but cause it was an emergy room..it was not acute..so it was ok for now..



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Reply #3 - Jun 6th, 2012, 4:13am
 
another update

after a night of pain in my toes and fingers and lower legs a feeling of prickling in my hands and the feeling of many parts of my whole body feel like they are full of the sensation of tiger balm on your skin, some palpitations due to hyperventilation chronic and anxiety feelings due to the sensations in my toes fingers,l body annd so on I went to the doctor.
I had a female doc instead of my own doctor and she first didnt know what to do. she was puzzled reflexes again turned out ok, feeling in my hands and feet ok.. the cold sensation she couldnt explain.. the pain in my fingers and toes could be the nerves itching..

but due to what. maybe the CHV but again not really sure.  
I asked her if this could be polyneuropathy due to illness.. but she couldnt say for now..

I hope RLR who also has a history in neurological disorders would like to help me here, cause the pain in my toes and feet and fingers and hands is like a burning cold sensation. which now travels to my body sometimes.. circulation was ok in my feet and hands and reflexes and feelings normal for now.

is this all anxiety and CHV or is this not related and neuropathical or reuma like
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Reply #4 - Jun 7th, 2012, 8:22am
 
update : although I had palpitations all night and I couldnt walk easily due the needles and pins and painfull tingling in my feet/toe area I got out of my comfortzone (home and bed) and went to a city nearby where me and my wife have walked for hours. This went quite well as longer as I walked. the pain subsided somewhat, and the prickling too.
the tingling in my hands remain.

I hope that the fact I could now walk for hours while walking the last days wasnt easy due to the havy prickling and sensations in my toes and feet is a good sign.

anyone?
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Reply #5 - Jun 8th, 2012, 8:31am
 
today its all very bad again
I have skin burning feeling ( like tiger balm again) all over my legs and arms and body..
all day long. really really scared now whats wrong
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Reply #6 - Jun 11th, 2012, 8:25am
 
still the same all day and night..

unfortunately no response or no recognition..

very worried never had this constant skin burning over my body for a week now
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Reply #7 - Jun 11th, 2012, 9:41am
 
I wonder, how are your symptoms upon waking? I ask not because I'm able to advise you either way, but I used to get tingling sensations in my hands and sometimes feet, and I realised that I never had any symptoms upon waking, probably due to be not being awake and able to hyperventilate in my sleep. I used to notice that the symptoms would worsen throughout the course of the day and then be gone when I awoke.

Perhaps if you notice this pattern also, or something similar, it may be a sign that you are indeed just hyperventilating? Not that I'm offering you advice or attempting a diagnosis by any means; just my opinion.

If three doctors have examined you and sent you away, perhaps your problems are not urgent? I sympathise somewhat but I've never experienced what you're describing.


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Reply #8 - Jun 11th, 2012, 11:30pm
 
thx for responding.
I will try to investigate if just when i wake up i experience less symptoms.
About the skin burning sensation. This is new for me, I do have it for over a week now . This started after a week of tingling and prickling in my hands and feet and a attack of (chronic) hyperventilation /anxiety attack, i quess setted of due to these sensations i felt for days.
the burning skin i do feel at night to. its like i cant have anything colder on my skin than my skin temperature. Also when i rub my skin it burns.
its in my opinion my nerves firing so now i'm afraid its a polyneuropathy which is often seen in illnesses. I was hoping RLR would give some advice cause i'm in a loop here.
why is all this only anxiety in me and why is this in other people 7 out of 10 times due to an illness or brainproblem
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Reply #9 - Jun 13th, 2012, 6:47am
 
symptoms of skin burning still there 24/7
also at night also in the morning.
I dont think anyone recognize this or knows what this is.
I notice even my doc is confused. Because I have CHV and anxiety label he thinks anxiety. But if you google you learn that if I had MS it would be due to MS. Fybromyalgia. it would be due to that. Neuropathy problems..it would be beacuse of that. and so on.if you catch my drift.. I start to think it can be anything
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Reply #10 - Jun 13th, 2012, 10:30am
 
Hello Richie,

I too have noticed that when I've spoken to my GP and various other doctors about concerns I've had in the past, they have each seen my history of anxiety and seemingly added another symptom to the list.

Having said that, I don't know the process by which they reached their conclusions and it may be that as a patient naive to the majority of the medical world, I am simply drawing conclusions that are false. I will say that I'm pretty sure since anxiety is a nervous disorder, that I believe there is a practically unending number of symptoms that may occur due to the fact that everything is under master control of the brain and nervous system, though this is simply my opinion and may not be true.

I'm sorry but I am in no position to give you an opinion on your problems. I've never experienced what you describe and I've never seen or heard of anyone else experiencing it.

In your first post you said that your THS is on the high side of normal and climbing. Didn't your doctor try and explain why and what the consequences of this are? Is it a case of "normal is normal", meaning high-normal or low-normal are indifferent. Surely a rising level means something? I don't know.

Go back to your doctor and push them for answers. You have a right to know everything you want to know and don't allow them to simply shrug off your concerns. Make them explain to you why they're not concerned about your rising levels and tell you why it is of no consequence.

I'm being ignorant, but if it doesn't even matter that your levels are rising or are high, like your doctor has said, what's the point in taking the test in the first place? If it doesn't come with an explanation then it's meaningless. Again, I know nothing of which I speak here so take anything I say with skepticism.

Perhaps it could be a relationship with another entity in the body, for example white cell count rises rapidly and dramatically in the presence of infection, then lowers to normal once the pathogen has been eradicated. Likewise, perhaps the levels you're concerned with also rise and fall with certain conditions? Either way, you need to know.

Anyway, I'll stop trying to sound like I know what I'm talking about and urge you to question your doctor a little deeper until you're satisfied with the advice you're given.

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Re: Thyroid tsh 4.0 ,spasms, skipped heartbeat,pain
Reply #11 - Jun 14th, 2012, 7:14am
 
thx for answering again

I've had some results of my bloodtests.
ANA negative so thats good
All my other bloodtest of red and whtecells and so on were ok/fine.

my B12 was low.  195  which is very low but still just in the range called normal. 150 is lowest 700 highest what in my country is called normal.
So its just ok. and low B12 levels CAN cause a lot of my symptoms
my doc thinks 195 is not too low so not a problem.

the burning sensation still unknown.
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Reply #12 - Jun 17th, 2012, 6:53pm
 
"why is all this only anxiety in me and why is this in other people 7 out of 10 times due to an illness or brain problem?"

Where did you establish such a statistic? You are making interpretations of your clinical lab features and physical symptoms and casting them as pathological in the absence of the requisite clinical training to do so. I'm constrained to point out that the act of doing so doesn't make your conclusions accurate and are only depicted in your postings to confirm your own suspicions or conclusions. Practicing medicine is well beyond merely seeking out literature on the internet and drawing conclusions.

The more you worry that something is wrong, the greater the symptoms become and the more you worry. The problem here is not what is actually wrong with you, but what you believe is wrong with you. It's very critical to realize here that you're seeking my interpretation based upon information you are providing me as though it somehow would validate evaluation by internet. You do see the practical impossibility of doing so, correct?

You are regularly presenting me with lab data and physical symptom characteristics for me to evaluate based upon your belief that something physical is wrong with you and regardless of my response, you seek to challenge it by providing other data and symptoms as though trying to prove to me that something other than what I'm suggesting is present. Not that it's necessary, but I'd remind you that although I'm now 93 years of age, I practiced medicine for more than 40 years. Do you really suggest that I'm so aloof as to not recognize what the most probable cause for your symptoms are and that they do not fit the characteristic patterns for neurological disease which I have observed and treated in hundreds of instances?

In what capacity am I serving here, Ritchie? I'm constrained to point out that I have little time to discuss differential diagnosis with a layperson who refuses to accept the opinions of the collective medical community but yet you continue to make inquiry? If we're inaccurate or not understanding the true nature of your difficulty, of what value is it to repeatedly seek out the very same source time and again?

I've collectively read every single one of your open postings and the multiple private messages you've addressed to me regarding your symptoms. I've repeatedly stated my professional opinion regarding the symptom patterns, as well as my conclusions. If you don't trust those conclusions or you don't feel that my opinions are qualified, then providing me with additional data and argument is not going to produce a different outcome. I'm the physician here, not you.

If you believe that you have a physical illness, then you need to direct your concerns to your primary care physician or specialist for evaluation and potential treatment. I've repeatedly shared my opinions with you, apparently to no benefit and I'll note here that I simply haven't the time to try and unweave the constant attempts being made to interpret your lab data as pathological in some way and a causal factor to your health problems.

I wish you the best in working with your doctors to determine how best to help you restore your physical health, but we've reached a point in the forum discussion here where the capacity of this forum to assist you has been exceeded.

Best regards,

Rutheford Rane, MD (ret.)
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Re: Thyroid tsh 4.0 ,spasms, skipped heartbeat,pain
Reply #13 - Jun 18th, 2012, 6:54am
 
Dear RLR

I understand your response.
I´m not questioning anyone´s knowledge. I´m just ventilating whats going on in my body. I recognize the same pattern with most of the posters here. they all, like me , experience symptoms. When it remains just those symptoms (which are often evaluated and looked at by doctors and als addressed here) people tend to get by. and start to believe in anxiety, vagus, and so on. But as soon as new or other symptoms occur they are back questioning things and address the new symptoms.
In my case...I try to be so complete possible in what I experience as new and what is done lately testing (bloodtests and so on)
the last months I got more and more symptoms. the last thing is constant skin burning sensation over my whole body and slight painfull feet (toes) and fingers but foremost skin burning without rash

Then i present in this forum some of the blood data I got and ask for a possible explanation or reassurance. Again I try to do this with so much possible info for you

I guess we all do that here..
Reading your answer (mostly between the lines) I fully understand where you are coming from, but Its like I said. IF it remained with all previous symptoms which also are still there 24/7 then its more easy to start to understand it could be anxiety. but if you get symptom over symptom upon it, then its not entirely illogical to address this as a possibility something could be causing this besides ANXIETY

I know skin burning CAN be a symptom DURING an anxiety attack or panic attack. but 24/7 ???  with no anxiety signals otherwise internally?

then I go back to my tsh and then its allmost a bit to high 4.0 ..is the end of the normal range on the higher side. so a slight tendency of a slow working thyroid. B12 low normal and my CHV.
What I want to know is IF this could cause my symptoms? including the skin burning?

I know I have my own doc like we all do here..but we come here for more reassurance cause we feel like crap and dont understand why??
my doc is puzzled but due to all good reflexes and no loss of strength he doesnt think it serious, but he doesnt know either whats causing all this. In his words he says' in 80 % of all cases the symptoms people come in with are all gone in a few w eeks and often we didnt know why one had it in the first place.'

in my case..he simply doesnt know but he dont think its an illness so far.
so his best quess is anxiety.but he doesnt know for sure

What I ask is. Is skin burning accompanied with my others symptoms and bloodlab still anxiety and why is that the logical explanation?



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Reply #14 - Jun 24th, 2012, 8:31am
 
symptoms still there.  With a negative ANA bloodtest what do I rule out?
red and whitecell distribution ok. Always a high HB, high hematocriet, high erytrocytes. (high as in ..almost top of the range normal)

If this is all anxiety why is this burning skin all over and prickling arms and feet 24/7 there?  Or is it therefore more likely anxiety than anything neuropathical ? the spasms and palpitations are gone for a week now. That has made me wonder even more. Why do the spasms suddenly are less now I have these skin sensations 24/7?  

I really like more explanation. cause i really hope its due to anxiety but My body does weird things and shouldnt I have more palpitations when so highly stressed that my skin burns and my nerves keep firing??

Allthough I without a doubt have the symptoms seen in neurophatical problems , how do I know this is due to anxiety ?
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