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Aug 09th, 2012, 3:16am
 
I am so disappointed with cardiology. The consultant wrote to my GP a few months ago saying Id had an angiogram which showed I have atherosclerosis. I have never had an angiogram of my heart. I did have one of my kidneys once and had to have angioplasty on them as there was stenonsis.

I did however have a private heart scan (CT) with bupa in 2006, which showed a mild plaque burden (is this atherosclerosis?) and I did show the pictures to the cardio at that time – as it was mild he had said to me that over time it could cause me to have a heart attack or angina. He said he would normally do an angiogram but as my platelets are so low, he preferred not to apart from an emergency situation? Emergency!!! So how would they have time to get my platelets up to par in that type of situation?


I am currently doing a low fat regime to try and get cholesterol down and even reverse the heart plaque problem.

Other docs say many women of my age possibly have some mild plaque – especially as we used to eat so much fat in the day and to keep cholesterol down but none have said before that I have atherosclerosis.

Anyway, today I have a copy of another letter to my GP. He describes my symptoms and goes on to say I cant have a beta blocker due to wheezing. At the end of the letter he says he has prescribed beta blocker of 150 propanolol bd to see how I respond. PROPANOLOL!!! He just said I wheeze on a beta blocker and now he is saying he prescribed it and anyway – he put my on heart rhythm drugs but I didn’t take any as I just don’t trust any of them.

He says the heart monitor shows isolated episodes of ventricular and atrial ectopics - what are the ventricular ones by the way? He also said that that I had non sustained runs of atrial tachy arrhythmias but that I had not pressed the button on the monitor at the time. I now wonder if he actually looked at my diary because I did run up and down stairs, I danced and did all sorts to try and set off what I wanted them to see. I think I would have felt tachy…although I did have one run in the morning that lasted about 15 secs.

So now my GP has me down as having propanolol? I just wish I had some funds to get a private consultation.


Also he describes my symptoms - for example my seeing lights with some runs of them, saying they seem like left ventricular etopics and yet it appears that is a guess from my description of my feeling faint (twice) rather than from the 24 hr monitor results - so I am even more frightened and confused?


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Reply #1 - Aug 10th, 2012, 3:34pm
 
Okay, let's bring some perspective to your concerns. Firstly, Propanolol is a sympatholytic, not an anti-arrhythmic. While it imparts influence to help promote regular sinus rhythm, its mechanism of action is upon secondary factors in this regard rather than primary. These drugs are also commonly prescribed in the presence of anxiety because they also demonstrate a mild anxiolytic effect while lowering blood pressure which is dose-dependent.

I'm not certain what your physician's actual inclinations were since I don't have the actual report to reflect upon, but it is not altogether uncommon for there to be problems with the translation of a physician's notes into report form, typically by a third party representative, rather than a direct conflict of intentions by the physician.

As for the presence of a mild plaque burden, you share an extremely common clinical finding with women of the same age group, ethnicity and genetic predisposition. The finding does not summarily indicate or warrant intervention. Notwithstanding this fact, while an angioplasty performed in the presence of depressed platelets is considered a modest risk at best, it nevertheless constitutes a risk that might otherwise be abated at a point when platelet levels are more normalized. In any event, to bring clarification to your point regarding the matter, it is simply that the risk would be warranted under emergent circumstances and not that they would attempt to infuse platelets prior to the procedure. In other words, a low platelet count does not make the procedure altogether prohibitive by any means whatsoever, but merely performed in the presence of an increased modest risk factor for which any consequences can be anticipated and successfully treated.

I do not see anything within the context of your posting to suggest that you are at imminent risk at all, but merely that you demonstrate increased risk factors for heart disease. Any decision to perform an angioplasty procedure should be carefully guided by the actual cardiovascular risk as determined by clinical assessment and whether or to what extent the patient may be symptomatic.

The presence of both ventricular or supraventricular(atrial) ectopics is purely the exhibition of benign palpitations and does not suggest cardiac arrhythmia of a pathological origin.

I am unable to discern the meaning of your last statement in the posting and whether you are referring to scintilating scotomas or fortification spectra as it relates to "seeing lights." Furthermore, "feeling faint" is an extremely subjective experience and not a clinical finding.

If when you say you feel faint you are referring to the development of tunnel vision, diminished auditory capacity, dizziness and a general sensation that loss of consciousness is inevitable, then this is an extremely common finding in persons with significant anxiety. While persons with certain genuine cardiac arrhythmias can experience near-syncope or actual syncope, this is a verifiable finding as it relates to the detection of an actual underlying cardiogenic cause. It is not a circumstance to be construed merely by the transitive property, which would erroneously suggest that all persons who feel faint in the presence of a rhythmic irregularity suffer from heart disease.

You're going to be fine and I think your apprehension is causing you to read a great deal into the circumstances which in actuality do not bear confirmation. The inconsistencies perceived have only caused you to question your health status even further and to the extent that you appear actually concerned there is jeopardy involved. I do not agree.

Take a breath and relax. I would suggest that you casually confer with your primary care physician regarding the conflicts mentioned in the report. I think you'll find that there is an entirely logical explanation.

Best regards,

Rutheford Rane, MD (ret.)
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Reply #2 - Aug 10th, 2012, 3:57pm
 
Thank you. If only doctors on the NHS would explain things as thoroughly.

He actually prescribed propefenone which I understand is a heart rhythm drug.

My GP rang up because they received a letter stating I was to have propanolol - however they know I wheeze on it, so they wondered why it was prescribed. I had a copy of the letter. I looked at the medicine and gave them the correct name.

However, the letter is muddly and has bad grammar. Some of it talks about the symptoms I reported, and some about the finding of the 24 hour monitor but to my GP, it was hard to decipher what was the monitor findings and what was my own verbal report.

I told him (the registrar, not the consultant) that on 3 occasions I felt my heart (not while on the monitor) go a little fast and light and it felt like multiple ectopics and at the same time, I saw lights and had a feeling I would lose consciousness and got to the floor. On one occasion it seemed as though I did faint for a few seconds.

he concluded that this sounds like left ventricular tachy.

I had run up and down stairs and done all sorts of activity in the hope of bringing on my worst symptoms - of course I would not have pressed the button as my fast heart rate went with what I was in fact doing.

He did not check my activity log, only the 24 hour tape and so I wonder if he has prescribed these drugs on the basis of my exercise etc. Being as he gets everything else in a muddle, perhaps you can understand my reluctance to take the drugs until I can confirm I did in fact have several runs of tachycardia.

I do get positional tachy...just now bending forward at the computer set several off, but i change position or cough and its gone. I think I would have known I think is what I am saying.

My GP was not impressed that the report said Id had an angiogram of my heart, when in fact it was in 2006 and my kidneys. My platelets were good at the time at 76K. I have idiopathic thrombocytopenia and so does my son. We are one of the few families in the UK with it as genetic.





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