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follow-up cardiology appt-advice please RLR?!
Feb 17th, 2008, 4:04am
 
Hi RLR & anyone else!
on Friday I have a 6 month f/up appt with the cardiologist-not sure if it'll be the same one I saw last August but I hope not!!
Anyway, I'm feeling a little anxious about it for a number of reasons:
* I only took the betablockers he prescribed for a couple of weeks but just couldn't tolerate being on them
* After discussing it with my doctor I also decided against taking the daily aspirin he prescribed
So, I'm abit worried that he's going to be annoyed that I haven't followed his advice. I know that it's my body & ultimately it's up to me but it's hard not to feel intimidated by these people sometimes.
All I want from my appt is reassurance that my heart is OK & that these palpitations aren't dangerous then I can just learn to accept them which is what I've been doing for the past few months anyway.

The other 2 issues that I'm still concerned about are
* the AF diagnosis he gave me as I was virtually halfway out the door
what should I ask him about this? I just think that the way he told me about this was so unprofessional ( he handed me a prescription for aspirin saying that I was having some irregular beats so should take aspririn, I said do you mean AF & he said yes & that was it!)
I don't get nearly as many ectopic beats now but do still get short runs of weird, irregular beats (never more than 10 seconds)
* still worry abit about the treadmill test I had afew years aho that showed signs of CAD but at last appt he said if I wasn't breathless on going upstairs then this was unlikely! Should I ask for another treadmill test?

Sorry to ask you so much in one post RLR but I always seem to go to these appts hoping to get the reassurance I need & end up coming out with even more questions & feeling worried sick!!
Unfortunately I've seen this particular cardiologist a couple of times & both times he was abit vague, kept changing his mind & came out with worrying comments right at the end of the appt when there was no time to ask more. I guess I just have to be more assertive but I'm hoping I see someone different this time!!
Thanks for your time RLR, I really appreciate it!
Seffie xx
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Re: follow-up cardiology appt-advice please RLR?!
Reply #1 - Feb 17th, 2008, 5:40am
 
Well Seffie, this is not like you've failed to do your homework assignments on time and we'll be sending you to detention.  Wink

Part of your hopes in being able to see a different physician also would bring relief that you don't have to face the former doctor's reprisal for not having followed his instructions, which we term avoidance behavior. It's certainly understandable, but you have to recognize that the scenario you are anticipating is representative of the root cause of your anxiety disorder.

Trust me, this is not unfamiliar territory for me. It doesn't matter how your doctor responds. He's just a physician and it won't set him at a point adversarial to you. You're concerned that you haven't pleased him by following directions and now he'll be upset with you. Many folks with anxiety don't like people to be upset with them and often go well out of their way under other circumstances to be people pleasers, even if it's to their own detriment. I have patients who complain that it feels like they're not even living their own life because of a compelling need to meet the preferences and expectations of others.

Now, back to basics. If you can't tolerate the beta blockers then there are plenty of alternatives. As for the aspirin, it's the cardiologist's favorite OTC prophylaxis for the vascular system and heart. I don't recall your age, but unless you have risk factors for a stroke or heart disease then it's really not a necessity. Additionally, most people in this category can also benefit from a single baby aspirin daily rather than the adult formula,  so it doesn't require a great amount to work well. Regardless, I don't have any tests results in front of me but I have to tell you here that I believe your condition is merely benign palpitations as a consequence of Vagus nerve stimulation and not a fibrillation anomoly. I think many times that folks with benign palpitations will drive so hard for a concrete answer that they'll get one.

You're merely seeking reassurance for a condition that does not exist in your case. There's nothing wrong with your heart and you can go to a specialist repeatedly and still obtain negative results. It's just not going to change and the only thing driving your fears in the compulsory thought patterns that are saying "yes doctor, I've heard you and I've seen the test results, but what if my case is different? After all, they've not found the cause. Therefore, in my mind it remains a constant threat each time it occurs. What if my heart stops as a consequence? What if it damages my heart in some way and when I'm old I'll have all kinds of heart problems? What if all of this could have been prevented if only caught in time?"

Seffie, at some point you are going to have to examine what is driving you to mistrust factual evidence in favor of your own perspectives. If you'll look at the history of this entire event, you'll see that nothing physical has actually happened to you, which is far more in alignment with your test results. It's not your heart, but merely an inappropriate nerve impulse from the Vagus nerve that causes benign palpitations and we don't spend millions of dollars in research and test equipment for the purpose of detecting benign or harmless physiological responses. We focus our efforts on equipment, research and training to detect the problems that threaten physical health and since your tests are negative, they're negative. You're no different. Your case is not unique or special or undetectable for some strange reason. It's a documented medical fact and tests conclusively prove that you don't have heart disease and that the cause of your palpitations is therefore, benign in every regard. No exceptions.

Your focus must shift from seeking a physical cause for the palpitations toward identifying and understanding the erroneous thought patterns which compel you to be fearful that something dreadful may be at hand and that it is your increasing mistrust and lack of confidence that moves you to seek reassurance.

You're going to be fine and your cardiologist will not punish you for failing to follow advice. Remember that it's advice you paid for and so it belongs to you, along with the freedom to follow it or reject it as you choose.

Best regards and Good Health
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Re: follow-up cardiology appt-advice please RLR?!
Reply #2 - Feb 17th, 2008, 1:35pm
 
Hi RLR,
thank you for such a quick reply to my post.
I have to say that your paragraph about anxious people being people pleasers is spot on for me. Your comment about trying to meet others preferences & expectations is quite accurate. I'm not a pushover & have quite a strong personality but I don't like to feel that people disapprove of me or my actions & will often do things to please others even if it's not something I want to do-something my therapist is actually getting me to work on at the moment!

Anyway, I'm rambling! Thank you for your advice / views. I do understand the need to deal with anxiety & how I react to these palpitations. I think if I went to an appt & they said that these were just benign etc then that would be fine with me, I can learn to live with them but I think it's just that this particular cardiologist is so vague & doesn't give you firm & clear explanations. I saw one years ago who was very clear & to the point & allayed all my fears but this one seems so unsure about what's going on so I always leave the appt feeling confused. Over here it's the NHS which is free but you don't get to choose who you see.

Your advice is very helpful & much appreciated, thank you!
Seffie xx

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Reply #3 - Feb 18th, 2008, 5:25am
 
Hi Seffie
I can understand what you're saying here, and I have an idea. Although I don't know if you will be able to afford it, but it may be worth it.
do you think you would trust the doctors advice more if you didn't feel rushed along by him and you paid to see him / her. If I were you I would get a private appointment, so you know who you are seeing, they spend much longer with you and they have time to explain what is wrong and you have time to ask questions. You will not be in a 10 minute NHS scenario.
I don't know how much it costs but if you get on a BUPA website they will have lists of charges. And if you think it is worth it it could be money well spent.
I had private appointments with a cardiologist (can't say it helped my anxiety and I am still  paying for them but deep down I know the cardiologist did everything he could for me and as he suffers from palpitations and ectopics himself he knows what they are!)
bead x
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Reply #4 - Feb 19th, 2008, 3:12am
 
Hi Bead,
yes I think that would be a good thing for me to do. I have gone private a couple of times before for other health issues & you do get much longer with the consultant. Unfortunately, because I'm still off work on long term sick at the moment I can't afford it as I'm now on half pay, but hopefully when I'm back at work, if I'm still having problems then I could do this.
To be honest, if I could just get to see a cardio who would explain it all clearly to me & not keep changing his mind & being vague like this one then I would be perfectly happy with the NHS service.
If I could get the reassurance from my cardio that these are all  benign then I can learn to live with them.
I know that this need for reassurance is part of my anxiety problem but I think that when it comes to your heart it is very difficult not to get anxious. Pity can't get to see RLR for all this!!
Thanks again!
Seffie xx
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Reply #5 - Feb 24th, 2008, 10:26am
 
Hi

I feel exactly the same I am a people pleaser much to my husbands annoyance, and I to have a strong personality and stand up for what I believe in, but I do not like people to disapprove of my actions and I often helped people out at the detrement to myself.

But I am getting better at telling people no I'm busy or actually I can't help today.

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