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neenee
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Apr 06th, 2008, 6:11pm
 
Hello all. I have been reading this forum for some time now, but only now decided to post. I am 25 and have had these darn palps for going on 5 years now. My life has dramatically changed since I began to get them, although the change has been gradual. I have always been an anxious person, but now I have full blown anxiety disorder, panic attacks, etc. I have gotten the usual workup from a cardiologist and have been given the usual diagnosis: PVCS/PACS, nothing serious, deal with it, get therapy to help with anxiety. They have seemed to increase within the last 5 months or so. Not sure why. I get them now when laying down alot or sitting in a certain way...I hate that! I also get them when full along with the pounding heart. That would be the whole vagus nerve thing I guess. How come my doctors do not know about that??
I guess I do not really have a question per se, just wanted to introduce myself and say that this is a great support network! I really wish that I could live life like I used to...without the worry and what ifs. I am trying to not let them control my life, but it is so difficult! They come out of nowhere most of the time and I get so scared!
Thanks for listening!
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Reply #1 - Apr 6th, 2008, 7:36pm
 
Hello and welcome to the forum. Based upon your posting, you've definitely landed in the right place. I'll take a second and tell you a little about this forum and some of the folks who are members and then we'll get to the task of answering some of your concerns.

I am a semi-retired neurologist and some time ago began offering my support when this site was part of the Resonance program for women, which at some point was abandoned. I had the forum re-created by some very gracious hosts and what you presently see is the result of their efforts.

My presence here is not to offer you medical advice or treatment in any way, but rather to explain matters of medicine in ways that the average person can better comprehend and relate to their symptoms or general health concerns. As with all new members, I will tell you emphatically never to use the internet as a source for your medical needs or attention, but rather merely as a source to better educate yourself about health matters already presented to your primary care physician or specialist.

As for the members of the forum, they are an absolutely wonderful group of people which all share common symptoms associated with anxiety, stress and the physical symptoms associated with the disorder. This would include benign palpitations of the type you are describing in your post.

Okay, now to the matter at hand. It's important to realize that there is a rather symbiotic relationship between the psychological manfiestations of anxiety and the subsequent physical symptoms. It's oftentimes very hard for patients with anxiety to define any particular point in time that may have represented ground zero, so to speak, wherein the anxiety was established. Many persons experience transient or situational anxiety, a very common experience under warranted conditions. It's only when anxiety persists beyond a certain timeframe that it becomes a problem.

I preface my comments in this way to share with you that it's important to look into your past to try and understand the origins or basis for your anxiety. From a medical standpoint, we can explain the neurochemistry and potential imbalances which produce symptoms of anxiety, but there is most always a social environmental trigger that establishes the chronicity of the disorder that most affected persons find to be inescapable in many instances. In other words, loss of a loved one, a divorce, new job or loss of a job, bearing children and similar circumstances are all potential antecedents to anxiety disorder.

More specifically to your concerns, body position can have a dramatic effect on the potential for vagal-stimulated palpitations to occur. You have to realize that from an anatomical standpoint, the vagus nerve innervates the GI tract as the gastric nerve. The vagus nerve utilizes acetylcholine,  a neurotransmitter, to communicate electrical impulses and when a disturbance occurs at a terminal point of the vagus nerve, it can cause a signal to be transmitted. This signal makes its way along the vagus nerve and when it encounters the heart, it imposes the signal upon the normal sinus rhythm and you sense it as a flutter, a skip or other abnormal pattern depending upon precisely where in the heart's cycle the signal is imposed. Realize that nothing at all is wrong with the heart and the signal is coming from outside the heart. It is not a sign of heart trouble in any manner whatsoever. As I've told countless members and visitors to the site, in over 40 years of practice, I've never even once heard of a person suffering any type of cardiac-related event or heart damage as a consequence of palpitations of this type.

Pounding heart in these instances is a very common response to palpitations because they create a slight change in blood pressure that is sensed by something called baroreceptors in the major arteries. These receptors signal the cardiac center in the brain to increase cardiac force to compensate and you feel it as heavy, rhythmic thumps which can sometimes even be felt in the ears and the extremities on occasion. It's an entirely normal physiological response.

The main factor to initially realize is that these symptoms, while certainly frightening at times, are entirely harmless to your heart and will never cause a catastrophic event. One of the most productive approaches to anxiety disorder and panic disorder is the use of cognitive-based therapy, combined with short-term anxiolytic treatment if warranted. This combination allows for patients to gain rapid benefits from short-acting pharmaceuticals while opening themselves up to the opportunity to allow cognitive restructuring techniques to point out errors in thinking and belief patterns known to exacerbate anxiety.

The good news is that you're going to be fine and you're in no physical danger as a consequence of anxiety-related palpitations.

Lastly, doctors don't necessarily broach the subject of vagal-stimulated palpitations because there is no body of research to support it. Since it is harmless in nature, science can afford little diversion from more serious conditions. Thus, if it doesn't gain notoriety in the literature, it is not recognized. Nevertheless, it does exist and causes the same exact effects on the heart when a person is suddenly startled or frightened. We'll talk more about that later.

Feel free to post and talk with members here. They're a great bunch of folks.

Best regards and Good Health
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Reply #2 - Apr 6th, 2008, 8:35pm
 
Thanks so much RLR for the quick reply! Everything you have said makes sense and does offer me some peace of mind. It helps, and hurts, that I love anatomy and physiology!
I have been in therapy and have made some progress, but not enough yet. I have been through a lot of changes over the past 5 years (death of family, marriage, graduation, career changes, moves, etc) so it is not surprising that I would have anxiety. I just focus way too much on the physical symptoms!
I have recently decided to persue my dream of becoming a vet and I am taking the steps to get there and I want to tackle this anxiety before school!
Anyways, thanks again!
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Reply #3 - Apr 7th, 2008, 5:21am
 
Welcome neenee.
We all know what you are going through. Concentrate on all the really great times you have ahead of you... becoming a vet - how exciting!
bead x
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Reply #4 - Apr 7th, 2008, 5:52am
 
Hi neenee and welcome to the site.  You will always get help and support on here it is a great site to be a part of.  We all know what this is like and we all hate it very, very much too.xx
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Reply #5 - Apr 7th, 2008, 12:56pm
 
Hi Neenee,
welcome to the forum-although I'm sorry that you need to use it at all!
You will find a lot of support here. Many of us are suffering from anxiety-related stuff here so we understand what you're going through.

I have been dealing with the physical effects of anxiety since my late 20's & I'm now 45 but I found that it tends to come & go. You can go through an intense period of a lot of scary symptoms & then when you start to understand what's going on you tend to lose some of the fear & then your body calms down.

I see that RLR has already replied to you, his advice is invaluable & I'm sure you feel better after reading his post.
My anxiety has been really bad in the past few years but thanks to the therapy I'm currently doing it is much reduced & so are many of the symptoms so it is possible to feel better & get your life back.

Last year it was a huge effort just to go to the corner shop but last week I went on holiday to Portugal & aside from some palps & some low level anxiety I mostly felt great!

Hope you feel better soon & good luck with your plans to become a vet!
love Seffie xx
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Reply #6 - Apr 7th, 2008, 1:43pm
 
Welcome to the site. I am sure I speak for many members here when I say that your post could have been written by any number of us on this forum. The strange heartbeats, the anxiety and panic, the medical tests and reassurance - yet the symptoms and anxiety continue to persist.

I can only add to what has been said already - this is a wonderful site full of support from people who know exactly what you are going through. RLR is a fantastic source of information and reassurance - I have found it helpful to print-out his Palpitations 101 posts and re-read them at times to try to be more rational about my ectopics. As he says, if you have had all the tests, then believe your doctors - you will be fine. Like you I have been using cognitive  therapy exercises to work on the anxiety - it has definitely helped, but this forum has been a great comfort too. You don't need a question, just post when you feel the need. Welcome.

edit: Just to add, three years ago I was paralysed with anxiety about my palpitations - I mean panic attacks, almost agoraphobic, and going to the shops or driving, or even taking my kids to school was a major trauma. Now I am much, much better - I still have bad spells but noone would know that I have anxiety spells as I am almost back to my old self. You will get there. You probably know of several cog therapy books but I also found 'Self Help for Your Nerves' by Dr Claire Weekes to be an invaluable comfort.
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