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RLR, could you please advise (cholinolytic drugs)
Oct 19th, 2008, 4:09pm
 
RLR, I have been writing on another forum for almost a year now, a cardiologist who consults there specialises in cardiac arrythmias and although is russian he is working in germany now. The language of the forum is russian but I have found some info there that might help some people here, esp those suffering from stomach related PVCs. This cardiologist also explains those benign PVC by increased vagus nerve activity and has recommended some meds to try and combat them.
First is motillium, for people, who, like myself have low acidity and feel full and nauseus after even small amount of food....and get PVCs as a result sometimes.
He also recommends using cholinolytic drugs if the PVCs are really troublesome, but the names he gives and probably russian adopted brand names and I have not been very successful googling them.... Could you possibly suggest any cholinolytic drugs? The ones he was mentioning were   "becarbon", "besalol", "belataminal" but i had no luck trying to research generic names. I'm guessing they all contain beladonna extract and may even be russian made.
What are your thoughts about all the above and do you recommend taking any of those?
He also mentioned Xanax for decreasing anxiety.

Your advise would be most appreciated.
Thank you.
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Re: RLR, could you please advise (cholinolytic drugs)
Reply #1 - Oct 19th, 2008, 6:07pm
 
Well, he's speaking about the anticholinergic properties of the belladonna alkaloids.

Among such medications, the most safe and often used is Donnatal, which comes in elixer form and more recently an extend-tab for treatment of IBS, acute gasteroenteritis and duodenal ulcers in certain instances. This drug acts as an antispasmodic upon the smooth muscle associated with the GI tract. The researchers are likely interested in the anticholinergic effects of the drug because it quells parasympathetic nerve activity.

You can speak to your doctor about the use of the extend-tab, which I think would be of most benefit and it should be considered for short-term therapy only, meaning 8 to 12 weeks, to see if improvement is observed. If so, then it's important to only use this drug when symptoms are present and not as prophylaxis.

Anticholinergics can indeed reduce parasympathetic activity and it's reasonable to assume that it would affect vagus nerve activity at the level of the pneumogastric junction. There are side-effects, however, and some people don't tolerate this type of drug as well as others, so it's important to discuss the use of anticholinergics with your primary care physician.

If you don't mind, I'd also like you to post the information concerning the research that is being done and where you found the link. I'd be interested in taking a closer look.

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Re: RLR, could you please advise (cholinolytic drugs)
Reply #2 - Oct 20th, 2008, 1:11am
 
RLR,
Thank you for the explanation. I will speak to my GP and hopefully he can advise on the meds you mentioned. Although he doesn't believe in any connection between vagus nerve and the heart, he did say to me that my gastritis could be one of the contributing factors so maybe I can get them to help the gastritis problem which may help the PVCs.
What about motillium? Do you reckon it is worth trying? The cardio guy from the forum strongly recommends it in most cases.
The forum i got the info from is here
http://www.medlinks.ru/modules.php?op=modload&name=Forum&file=viewtopic&topic=24024&forum=79
The guy's nickname is Aritmolog, he is the official cardio site consultant there.
His Real name is Alexander Korzun, he has published a few cardio papers in russia and many of them have been translated into English. I will try and find some online and will post a link.
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