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Jan 11th, 2012, 8:35am
 
Hi RLR.  Hope this finds you well...  I know you remember me.  I am the one w who has MS and was Dx with it over 6 yrs ago.  Well, I had my Tonsils and Adenoids removed 12 days ago.  Starting 4-5 days ago, I noticed I am going through another MS Flare.  My 1st symptom was loss of pain sensation.  I literally went from a level 10 pain from the  T&A removal to a level 0.  I knew then that I was going through an MS Flare.  The next symptom was burning sensation all over my skin, even in cold weather.  I had goosebumps, yet I felt burning and clammy and flush.  

I have been through this before.  I know its effecting my Autonomic Nervous System:

-- Rapid heart rate 140's
-- Blood Pressure Increases
-- My reflexes are all gittery and hyper in the ankles, knees, elbows, etc and when this happen my BP Spikes really high, my face is beet red and I feel dizzy and the relflex stuff makes my legs wobbly and hard to walk...

-- My sense of Hunger and thirst is diminished.

I have had this happen during my 1st attack in Oct 05 and Dec 09.  

I know you are a Neurologist and have helped me before....

Firstly, what does this sound like to you?  Is it dangerous for my heart to be beating so fast when I am not doing anything strenuous?  I am not panicky or having a panic attack.  In fact, its almost like I can't feel my emotions.  i want to cry, but can't.  It's definitely, odd.

I appreciate your advice and always have...

I see my Neurologist tomorrow morning.  My Neuro I use to have retired.  So I have to see someone new.  Feels like I have to start all over.

Please help to reassure me.  I do not want the attacks to last for months as they usually do.  I have 3 children and want to know what I can do to feel better.  Am very weakish and I want to return to work next week (I work as a Instructional paraprofessional with Kindergarteners.  

Thank you for your help.

Stephanie
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Reply #1 - Jan 11th, 2012, 8:44am
 
Also wanted to add that I have lost about 18 lbs since September due to not feeling hunger.  I do not feel depressed and am on anti anxiety med (alprazalom) to help with sleep at night 1.5 mg.  I still have the Insomnia as well..  I think you remember who I am..  Hope you are doing well..

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Reply #2 - Jan 11th, 2012, 3:45pm
 
Yes, I recall. You're the young lady who persisted in the belief that you had contracted Familial Fatal Insomnia and since this most recent posting is a little more than 21 months from an earlier posting on 3/19/2010 where you discussed the concern, then it's for certain that at the very least you do not have FFI.

You also state that you have been diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis, but formerly you stated that you merely had several hyperintensities on MRI imaging which your doctor stated were stable from the previous MRI 4 years earlier. This would not suggest Multiple Sclerosis at all.

You did state that your symptoms were diagnosed as temporal lobe seizures and that you were prescribed Lyrica.

As for your most recent symptoms, you appear to have an appointment with your neurologist and I'm constrained to point out that your best opportunity to determine the nature of your symptoms is through direct evaluation. It goes without saying that I'm unable to diagnose you via the internet and your symptoms cover a range of possibilities. The nature and extent of the symptoms you mention are neither remarkable or draw great concern.

As of the time of my response, you will have already been evaluated by your doctor or specialist.

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Reply #3 - Jan 12th, 2012, 5:39am
 
Thanks for responding RLR.  I am continuing to get worse.  My skin burns all over even in the cold.  My heart rate resting is in the 120's and standing is in the 150's.  I am feeling jerking all over my muscles and faint.  I don't know what this is...

I was told I had MS, but I don't know...

I am scared.   I saw my Psychiatrist yesterday and she gave me 10mg of Valium to take 3 times a day.  I started it yesterday and it doesn't seem to help with the racing heart at all.  nor the hyperreflexes.

I have had this before.  I don't feel like I have received many answers.  Maybe its something rare?  Its definitely complicated.

Feels like my body is doing stuff in reverse.  Like when I take a hot shower it feels like stinging cold beads on me.

I sweat in the cold.

My heart races and again I am worried, but do not FEEL anxious.

I am finding I am becoming weaker and my legs are wobbly.

I know there has to be something the Neuro or ANYONE can help me with.  I really need it.

I see my Neuro this morning.

Do you have any idea what this could be?  Please?  I know you can't Dx me, but I am desperate...

And I need your help...

I hope the Neuro can help me today...
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Reply #4 - Jan 12th, 2012, 11:00am
 
UPDATE:  Saw the Neurologist.. I have never seen this Neuro before as my regular Neurologist retired.  

I explained my symptoms and he said he did not think I was having an MS Flare and there was no need to put me on any meds.  He does want me to have an MRI w/ contrast just in case.

I told him about the hyperreflexes, but of course when I was there my reflexes were not hyper.  at home when I have the burning sensations and rapid heart rate and high blood pressure, they definitely are Hyper reflexive.

He did reccommend I see a Cardiologist for possible Tachycardia.  My resting pulse was 129 at the office and standing it was in the 150's range.  So I will have an Stress Echo done.

As far as the Temporal Lobe Epilespy.  Which I do have and the test 2 years ago (EEG) showed that.  I take Keppra 750 mg 2 times a day for that.  I am wondering if maybe the Temporal Lobe Epilepsy is playing a part in my symptoms??

I really hope that I get better soon.   I still feel shaky, cold when it hot, having the sheets touch my skin makes it burn, etc......

So with this info... What do you think?  What can I do to get better.  Right now, I am scared...  And since this is the 3rd time this has happened in 6 years, I wonder what is going on.  What is causing this?

Thanks for your feedback and help.

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Reply #5 - Jan 12th, 2012, 6:02pm
 
Okay, first of all I'm not certain how you are attempting to do so, but you cannot properly assess deep tendon reflexes in yourself. Secondly, factors which induce hyper-reflexia are incapable of disappearing upon evaluation by the physician.

You ask me what this sounds like only hours after having been directly evaluated by a neurologist. If you seek discussion on the matter, I very frankly must tell you that the symptoms you describe are most likely to be a byproduct of a functional disorder. In other words, you are experiencing somatic or physical symptoms as a consequence of emotionally based difficulties of a very significant degree.

This is a very common feature of disorders such as Post Traumatic Stress Disorder or even clinical depression. You certainly demonstrate significant and persistent health anxiety, despite the fact that none of your symptoms actually rise to the occasion of any particular organic disease or disorder. The chronic nature of your difficulties would also strongly suggest that the underlying origin has been present for some time now.

You do not, in my opinion, have Multiple Sclerosis in any form and we've already been sufficiently worn by the erroneous notion that you have fatal insomnia. I would more suggest your problem to have manifested from a rather significant and traumatic emotional crisis which you are unable to contend with in a rational manner. Your symptoms and persistence of thought with regard to catastrophic disease are highly consistent with other persons who have experienced such a crisis event and subsequently contend with health anxiety and physiological manifestations which are being cast or interpreted to be signs of underlying pathology.

You have previously gone to great lengths in trying to convince me that something else is wrong and not once have I observed any pattern described to be anything other than what I've mentioned above. You certainly demonstrate fixation without relent and the passage of time has evidenced no change in your symptom expressions, no migration of the focal areas mentioned on MRI imaging and no progression of symptoms which is always present in such cases. Again, I suspect this syndrome to be functional in nature for reasons mentioned. You're in no actual danger whatsoever, nor is your life at risk.

You're going to be fine, but you must work with your psychiatrist or similar professional to bring the actual underlying cause to a level which can be examined in order to provide you with the necessary insight and relief you so desperately seek.

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Reply #6 - Jan 13th, 2012, 6:00am
 
Thanks for the advice..  I just do not understand what is happening with my body and the way its functioning.

I had my stress echo done yesterday and it was normal.

But I continue to have a really high pulse.  My Psych prescribed 10 mg of Valium 3 times a day and I do not even feel the effect of it at all.  This is not normal.  My body doesn't react to hardly any medications...  Again, not normal as I should feel some relief or effect. (tiredness, calming effect)..

A for my symptoms, which continue.  I wish I had an answer.  I do ok once the attack passes (and it takes months), but when I get the attacks, my entire body is affected.

I do know that I don't know what to do.  I have seen my Psychiatrist in hopes that she could give me something to help calm my fears and anxiety. But nothing works (medicine wise).  It's like my brain doesn't feel the effects.  I have told the Pharmacist when the Valium should work and he said, "You are on a high dose" I am surprised you don't feel the effects.  In the past (I am not usually an alcohol drinker) I would have a coulple drinks and NOT feel the effects.

So from a Neurologist standpoint, why wouldn't my brain feel things normally?  This happens even when I am not going through an attack.

I just want to be back to normal.  I can't sleep even with the sleep meds (last night I took 1.5 mg of Alprozalam and 30 mg of Retoril and I still woke up at 2:45 am.

I don't feel like I am depressed.  I am anxious because of all this stuff though.

I feel at lost.  My legs are weak and wobbly, pulse elevated, burning still all over, my body is just all out of whack.

What is your best advice for me? If Medicines do not help and all I am left with it to deal with this on my own...

I Pray, Pray, Pray..  Try and think positive..  keep a journal... Keep tellng myelf I will be Ok.

But I know something is not right...  It's not right to feel like this.  To not feel certain sensations, to not feel hunger or full when I do eat, to not feel sleepy when given strong medications, to have jerkng in my body and muscle twitches.

I really am at lost!!  I am in need of help but I don't know what to do.  I will not exhaust this site with postings after this I know better.

But any last words of what I CAN do?  Please come right out and say what you think I can do...

Stephanie
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Reply #7 - Jan 13th, 2012, 6:02am
 
And I have worked with my Psychiatrist and she is at lost.  She has tried so many medications (antidepressions, antipyschotics, benzo's etc)...  So this makes me feel at lost.
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Reply #8 - Jan 16th, 2012, 7:31am
 
RLR, please if there is ANYTHING you can think of, please tell me...

Why would the symptoms be the same as the attacks I had 2 previous times?

Why does it take months for it to go away?

My Dr mentioned Whipples Disease a couple years ago when i went through my last attack.  Which started out with severe Diahrrea, which I still have up to 10 times a day.  Really watery, foul smelling (sorry if tmi) and with that I get the hyper reflexes and when I get the reflex stuff my heart pounds and my face gets really hot and flush.  I know it sounds like anxiety to you, but I get this in "attacks" that last for months.  I get goosebumps in the hot and feel cold in hot.  My skin burns.. My heart rate is still elevated, even when taking anti-anxiety (Alprazolam)....  I keep losing weight, even though I am eating...  My legs are wobbly and weak....

I know there is something to this.  I do worry and I do have anxiety and mild depresson.  I have had this for years.

But I know my body well, especially after going through this...

And I know that whatever it is (whether it me MS or something to do with the Temporal Lobe Epilepsy) that something is causing this...

I just want to be OK and feel better.  I hate going through this.  I have worked with counselors over the years and try and get ahold of my fear, esp during these attacks.

Can you think of anything?  Something to do with the Autonomic nervous system?  Anything??  You have been a Neurologist for YEARS and I do trust your advice.  I know you can't examine me clinically, but please if you can think of anything, I would greatly appreciate it.  I am grasping at all angles...

I do believe you when you say I have anxiety.  I always have had that.

I just know there is something wrong and I pray to God that he will help me through this....

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Reply #9 - Jan 16th, 2012, 4:07pm
 
Okay Stephanie, we're starting to proceed in that direction once again if you get my meaning. Now I've followed all of your postings and I've even taken time to bring them all out of archive and review them.

I've already given you my opinions and impressions and will state here that I am retired from practice and thus even if it were possible to do so under such an arrangement, it is improper. I see nothing of your symptoms which suggests similarity with characteristic patterns of neurodegenerative or other disease. You have exhibited the same symptoms for the past two years, with no evidence of progression.

This is not about me being prodded to think of "anything" that could be the cause, for I have already discussed my impressions in that regard.

The difficulty has to do with you making personal assessment of what you believe to be symptoms and tasking the medical community to discover the underlying organic cause. Knowing your own body doesn't confer the medical training to characterize clinical patterns of disease or illness. It's not the medical community which is at a loss here. It is your compelling persistence in maintaining that there is an underlying organic disease responsible for the symptoms you describe. Suffering from anxiety and depression is not simply about an emotional state, but rather can exist at such levels that it produces physical sequelae.

Now I've worked to some length with you over the past couple of years to try and provide you with insight into your difficulties, but I am clearly unable to define the underlying disease which you remain persistent in believing is present as the cause. If what I'm suggesting is disagreeable, then the only other suggestion I can make is to seek out someone who can share your own perspective. This forum exists to discuss the features associated with heart palpitations and although I've extended the courtesy with you to step beyond that focus, it really is becoming time for you to direct your inquiry to your present doctors or alternatively others who are capable of looking into the matter further.

I am unable to offer you anything more at this point.

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Reply #10 - Jan 16th, 2012, 4:17pm
 
Thanks for your input once again.  So at this point, you think I will be OK and nothing is seriously wrong?  I have seen dr's about this and they can't seem to figure it out.  And I am suffering...  Importantly, in your professional opinion, my last question is:

do you think I will get through this and be OK?

Thank you for your help.
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Reply #11 - Jan 17th, 2012, 6:58pm
 
Hi Stephanie,
I was reading your posts and think that the feedback provided by RLR sounds very logic, now the question is more: can you believe that you are fine?
I am by no means an expert but I would suggest you go with a psychologist instead of a psychiatrist. The psychologist will help you talk and deal with your thoughts, the psychiatrist will only give you medication so the approach is very very different.
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Reply #12 - Jan 17th, 2012, 7:12pm
 
Your life is not at risk of any nature as a consequence of the symptoms you are describing and experiencing and one of the driving factors throughout our discussions is that you are entirely incapable of assimilating that fact into acceptance.

You are not a physician Stephanie and I'm again constrained to point out that regardless of how well you know yourself, it simply does not confer any ability to cast an accurate clinical picture that something is wrong and that you are in danger. This is an extremely inaccurate perception on your part and is causing you to chase after an elusive source, the origin of which very paradoxically lies in the act of chasing after the source, if you see my point.

Now I can only tell you in a very forthright manner what my impressions are in the instance of your difficulties. I cannot induce acceptance and regardless of how many times you ask, those impressions are not going to change. I've evaluated your postings based upon relevant facts which are not open to interpretation or alteration.

Again, I am unable to provide you with any further comment other than you are not at any risk of a nature you feel compelled to maintain for fear that any cessation from such extreme vigilance will permit the cascade of consequences you suspect.

I wish you all the best in dealing with your circumstances, but for obvious reasons I am unable to assist you any further.

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Reply #13 - Jan 18th, 2012, 12:36pm
 
RLR,  I do understand what you are saying.  I am very scared and my anxiety is getting the best of me and making me feel very depressed.  I know I am dealing with something but don't know what.

Currently, the medications I am taking are:

Keppra 750 mg 3 x day for Temporal Lobe Epilespy (confirmed on EEG)
Alprazolam (.5 am .5 12pm .5 4pm and 2 mg at bedtime.

I saw my Psychiatrist and she thinks there is something physical going on as well since I have been through this before and she has prescribed numerous meds, which do not anything.

I asked her if there is something we can try to help with the depression I am experiencing due to an unknown medical disease and my worry and fear.

She prescribed Anafranil 25 mg and told me to increase it by 25 mg every 5 days to reach a max of 125 mg.

I hope the Anafranil will help with the worry.  I thought the Alprazalom which I have been taking for almost 2 years would help but I still continue to have the rapid heart rate, burning, reflexes are hyper at times, muscle twitching, diahrrea, weight loss, etc...

At this point I really feel helpless.  I feel like I am lost and don't know what to do.  I have been talking to myself positively and saying, "You will be OK, you have been through this before and saying to myself what you tell me, "That my life is NOT as risk"...  

I do have a hard time believing that I will be OK because of what I am going through...  When not going through this, I am fine...  But when these attacks hit, it effects my entire body...  Moreso, it seems the Autonomic Nervous System (sense of hunger diminshed, hot and cold mixed up, burning sensations, muscle twitches and jerking, flush feeling, when I do feel pain its in the back of my head)....

So, I know that I am anxious.  I take the Alprazolam and fall asleep for maybe a couple hrs and wake up at 1:45 or 2:45 am.  

Does this sound like depression?  Do you think the Anafranil 25 mg is safe and worth trying??

I really do appreciate your advice.  I am trying really hard to get on with it and think positive.  I have 3 children whom I love very much (age 10, 7 yrs and 6 yrs) and I want to get better for them and myself and husband.

I feel confused a lot and have a hard time remembering stuff too, which is frightening to me...  I feel at lost to be honest....  I just want to feel normal......  

still waiting on the results of my Brain MRI...

Thank you for your patience as I go through this.

Stephanie
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Reply #14 - Jan 18th, 2012, 12:39pm
 
Oh and I was going to ask..  do you think this could have anything to do with my Adrenaline?  Can stress or depression cause all these symptoms?
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