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Vitamin deficiency
Jan 15th, 2012, 5:04am
 
Hi RLR.
Just had a question regarding vitamin deficiency and if it increases the potential for tachycardia.
My 25 Hydroxy D Total is 22ng/ml with the lab stating that the normal range is 25 - 80.
My 25 Hydroxy D3 is 22, and 25Hydroxy D2 is < 4.0.  The level has been dropping, so the NP put me on 50,000 IU of D3 once a week for 12 weeks and then monthly after that.  I have been reading up on D3 and have read that levels around 20 are adequate.  Other sources say that that is not optimum and levels can and should go up between 30 - 50.  Was wondering what you thought about the high dose of supplementation that I am to take and if this can have side effects.
The other lab is B12.  A couple of years ago I had a level in the 180's pg/ml (the normal of that lab stating 180 - 914).  At that time I took 500mcg of B12 daily and within a month it was in the 400's.  After awhile I was told I didn't have to take it any more and within the last year or so it has steadily dropped and is now 234 and she recommended that I restart the B12.   Just wondering how you feel about this supplement also.  Do these supplements have side effects (especially the D3) and can they increase the tachycardia?  I'm trying to convince myself (I have that phobia about taking any medicine) that these should help me.  Just worried about that mega dose of Vitamin D3 when my level is 22.  My tachycardia episodes on the whole are much better.  I still have them, but usually can calm myself and my heart rate usually slows quickly if I distract myself.  Thanks.
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Re: Vitamin deficiency
Reply #1 - Jan 17th, 2012, 6:59pm
 
Hello Nurse Jo,

I would be more concerned to know your serum calcidiol versus serum calcitriol than I would anything to do with D2 and D3 independently since these forms are related to source rather than function. If your calcidiol is low, then while sufficient intake would lead the inquiry, I would ultimately want to know whether a problem at the liver is preventing sufficient conversion of D2 & D3 into calcidiol and if calcitriol is low, then I'd be looking at the kidneys to determine whether sufficient conversion is taking place such that is can finally be used by the body in this form.

Inadequate intake is far more practical to treat than assessing what is happening to the D2 and D3 that is taken in. In other words, I'd first want to increase D2 and D3 to within normal range and then test conversion at both the liver stage and kidney stage by examining levels of calcidiol and subsequently calcitriol. If those levels are within normal range, then you're merely dealing with intake of the vitamin.

B12 malabsorption appears to remain a mystery in your case and again, I wonder about intrinsic factor levels, whether there may be a possibility of a gene mutation of cubilin on chromasome 10 that might be a familial cause for the disorder. Although this is extremely unlikely, it should still be considered unless a more salient reason can be determined. It also reminds me that you had made previous discussion of IBS or some type of inflammatory bowel disease, which could certainly result in malabsorption to some extent, far less chance in the instance of garden variety IBS.

Regardless, nothing of supplementation in either instance places you at increased risk of any type.

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Rutheford Rane, MD (ret.)
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Re: Vitamin deficiency
Reply #2 - Jan 19th, 2012, 4:48am
 
Thank you for your reply.  So, if I understand your post correctly, I should go ahead and take the supplements, the D3 50,000 IU q week x 12 weeks and then monthly, and the B12 500mcg q d.  The NP has said she would recheck the B12 and Vitamin D levels in 3 months.  Should I also ask her to check the levels of the two others you had mentioned?  Yes, I do have IBS, and at one time I think they felt my anxiety with my weight loss was a possible problem.  But my weight is good now and intake good, so that's not it.  They did a blood test for celiac and that was negative.  I did absorb the B12 quite well (the supplement) when I was on it before.  I will just need to tell myself that these vitamins are good for me.  I am always afraid they will have side effects or give me an upset stomach.
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Reply #3 - Jan 19th, 2012, 6:03pm
 
Okay, always direct questions like this to your doctors. Even though we're merely speaking about vitamin supplements, you of all people can appreciate the position of a physician who best address and treat your concerns if they know precisely what is taking place with respect to medications and any other products you are taking which might influence tests and treatment outcomes.

My point was simply to suggest that in order to differentiate the ultimate cause for the deficiency, it's important to accurate elicit the exact point at which the problem is occurring.

I also mentioned the B12 absorption because unless my memory is failing me more than it should be, I recall you suffering from anemia and demonstrated a B12 deficiency. If this is incorrect, please clarify.

The underlying reason for B12 depletion would also seem to be lingering here. It's not common for persons to regularly experience B12 deficiency unless there is a known cause or pre-existing condition.

Consumption of vitamin D is of no real consequence and you certainly shouldn't be afraid of any possible side-effects, but again it's important to address this with your doctor. Aside from this, the nature and use of supplements regarding simple deficiencies is straying somewhat distant from the forum topic.  

You'll be fine.

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Re: Vitamin deficiency
Reply #4 - Jan 19th, 2012, 7:07pm
 
Thank you for your reply.
In answer to your question about the anemia; no, I have never had problems with anemia.  My hemoglobin is presently at 13. 0 g/dl (with a normal of 12.0 - 16.0).  My hematocrit is also normal at 38.8%.  My RBC was 4.44M/ul (normal being 4.20 -5.40)  So, I haven't had problems in this area. This has been very stable.  They do not feel that I have pernicous anemia.  My B12 level dropped a couple of years ago to 188 (very low normal), hence the B12 supplementation which increased it to the 400 level within a month.  After awhile, I was told I could stop it, but within the last year it has steadily dropped to 234, so was told to start taking it again.
As far as the Vitamin D level, they have told me that it is not uncommon for a person my age to have lower Vitamin D levels due to lower absorption rates and being that I live in the north U.S., with decrease sunshine during the Winter.
Per your request,I will direct my questions to my physician on these matters.
Thank you though, for I do appreciate your input.
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Re: Vitamin deficiency
Reply #5 - Jan 27th, 2012, 4:59am
 
RLR -
Last night I was just in bed watching a movie and noticed my heart beating faster and then it kicked into a real fast pounding tachycardia.  The kind I used to get before that I thought I had gotten more control over.  My tachycardia episodes have never gone away but I have found it much easier to ignore it and as a result the pulse calms down very quickly.  Last night though it became the fast pounding type and I got panicky.  I called my son and after talking for awhile it calmed down and all I had left was the shakes.  The only thing different is the vitamins that I am now taking.  I have had a little more bloating/cramping in my lower abdomen since I've started them, but not sure if that is just my irritable bowel or what.  Otherwise, a little more gaggy again, but still eating fine.  I am trying to not get panicky about this, but don't want the hard pounding tachycardia to start bothering me again.  I have had a huge amount of stress at work (though this is the normal for my job) and my son is leaving on a cruise, so that has gotten my anxiety up.  Just wonder if you think this has anything to do with the vitamins, or just my anxiety kicking up the tachycardia.  Do I have anything to be concerned about?  I still take the ativan .25mg every morning.  I can take more if I want to, but haven't taken any more than that for months.  In fact, I thought about not taking it any more, but the NP thinks I should stay on it for now and she is not concerned because it is a small amount.
Thanks for your time on this.
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