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Re: Here's a Question for All of You
Reply #225 - Jul 25th, 2011, 9:22am
 
RLR, how much do breathing patterns have to do with Palpitations and anxiety?  Since I have started reading this thread I have been trying to analyze my thoughs and what I feel in life in general trying to see what I am like on a moment by moment basis to see if I can identify certain behaviors that lead to these Palpitations.  One thing I notice is that my breathing is very erratic most of the time.  I also feel dizzy a lot through the day as well.  I have a very stressful job and I am on the phone a lot and I definitely dont breathe properly. I am an upper chest breather big time and I find myself not breathing a lot through out the day.  Did I develop this erratic behavior because of anxiety.  Is it reversible? Thanks for your input.  Also I have reduced my fear level by half over these skips.
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Reply #226 - Jul 27th, 2011, 11:59am
 
Maybe you could put this question as a separate thread? Id like the answer to that too.
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Reply #227 - Aug 22nd, 2011, 9:25pm
 
RLR...I just wanted to let you know that for the first time in 5 years I have had a reduction in anxiety and in heart skips!!!!  I can only believe that it was a result of my time spent in this specific thread and reading over your post in general.  Before I came here I truly believed that I had a heart problem and was going to die.  With that belief I continued to fuel the anxiety that lead to these skips.  After reading, rereading and rereading this post and many others I was able to start changing the way I thought specifically about these skips every moment of the day.  I worked hard and long to get my mind right with these.  I have experienced every flop, skip and run that has been mentioned on here.  I was agoraphobic for about 2 years and I had horrible panic attacks as well.  But since I found this site and REALLY studied and believed what was said I started changing my though patterns, actions, changed my behavioral patterns etc and I finally have a true and significant reduction!!!  What a feeling.  This work was not easy at all but now that I am seeing a reduction it has been truly worth it.  It has been absolutely the hardest thing I have ever done in my whole life.  I still have daily skips....but they do not bother me and they are far less now.  

I would just like to truly thank you for showing me the way to getting my life back.  You have no idea how much this site has helped me and I truly thought that I would live the rest of my life in horrible fear and depression.  A life lived in fear is no life at all and I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for your sympathy, understanding and knowledge.

If I have any words of advice for the rest of you on here...it would be to read as many RLR post as you can and use what you learn from his post to constantly change your scary thought patterns.  It is an exhausting job and takes a tremendous amount of effort and time but it is well worth it.  Also I would recommend picking up a book from Claire Weekes called Hope and Help for your nerves.  I have read and reread this book many times and she parallels exactly what RLR states...just not as medically specific.

Thanks RLR, you are an incredible man!!!!
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Reply #228 - Oct 9th, 2011, 7:02pm
 
Anyone looking for this thread?

It belongs to all of you. I keep finding it drifting farther along into the shadows.

It constitutes something very significant. It has been viewed more than any single thread on the forum, yet has the least amount of interaction by comparison.

Doesn't that seem the least bit mysterious or curious? How could a thread such as this receive so much attention and yet so little actual involvement? Is there anything about such a premise that seems familiar in any way?

So we continue . . . . .




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Reply #229 - Oct 13th, 2011, 4:46am
 
Hi RLR, Hi all,

From a personal point of view, I’ve found this thread a huge help. I do still get the odd dodgy beat every now and then, but they’re becoming fewer and fewer as time goes by.

My health anxiety remains, and I’m currently fixated on stomach issues which scare me just as much due to the catastrophic nature of my thinking.

Maybe it’s foolish, but I think I traced my anxiety back to a really horrible flight I had back from Italy to the UK in 2008. I’d had a long and good (but very tiring) holiday, and was eager to get home. It was an early flight and I was run down.

The flight was horrible, turbulence all the way home. For the first time in my life I had a huge fear of impending doom. The plane was going to crash and I was going to die young, without fulfilling my ambitions or achieving anything in my life. I was incredibly scared. I guess it was a panic attack.

After that, I started getting regular palpitations and general health anxiety. A headache was a tumour, stomach pain is cancer, palpitations is an impending heart attack. It was horrible and I was a complete mess for a few months afterwards.

Fast forward a few years and I’m still here. I still have health anxiety because I’ve just been unable to shake the thought that I’m going to die young and I think this is where my fear lies. I’m not afraid of dying per se, I’m afraid of dying without achieving my life’s goals and ambitions – I want to travel, I want to enjoy my time here, and I want to have a happy and successful family, I want to get a degree and complete the education I was doing previously (I am currently in the process of doing this).

For example this stomach pain at the moment – my Dr suggested it could be H Pylori bacteria and had given me a week’s course of Omeprazole, Metronidazole and Amoxycilin. I’ve finished the course of antibiotics, which gave me a few stomach issues, and because my stomach now has these antibiotic related symptoms, I fear that it’s more serious than first thought. That’s the way my mind works due to my anxiety disorder.

In terms of getting over the palpitations, the first thing I did was to recognise that the odds of me, a 24 year old, having heart problems was incredibly slim at the outset. Further to that, I was very active and ate fairly well for my age. Further to that, I’d had the holter test and numerous check ups from the doctors which all said the same thing – benign ectopic beats. Further to that, RLR’s brilliant assurance on this website continued to reinforce the belief that maybe it was ME that was wrong, not the numerous qualified doctors and tried and tested methods of detection which had  not turned anything sinister up!

Every time I had a palpitation, I’d remember RLR’s words and just worry less about them than I had previously. This in turn led to a reduction in these events.

Unfortunately because I have not yet tackled the underlying anxiety, something else in the form of these stomach issues simply replaced it, so it is important to tackle whatever it is which is causing these issues in your life. This is my aim now.

I hope this is not too off topic - I'm just trying to relate to others my journey - which started in the discovery of this thread - and has led me to a major achievement on the way to beating this anxiety disorder once and for all.
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Reply #230 - Oct 13th, 2011, 11:45pm
 
I guess a thread without any objective is an attraction as people want to try their own creativity into finding subjects or topics which they feel could have a viral effect and see how long people are going to discuss the same. But it’s true that thread in such forms goes nowhere.
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Reply #231 - Jan 9th, 2012, 1:14am
 
Wow this thread got deep in the lists. I have not posted on this forum for awhile but I am having a rough night so I thought I would check in with everybody.

I have really been working on the whole anxiety thing and it has been dong wonders. I have had a few small episodes of palps and chest pain. It is curently 4am and after having a horrible dream of being in the hospital, having a heart replaced of all things, I am actually doing well. I t is amazing what a thought process can do. Instead of freaking I chose to look at like "wow I survived a heart transplant and was dong great" instead of the other way around.

I have been to the ER once with chest pain that would not go away and it turned out to be nothing, all tests came back good. I did have a palpitation event while there, which is the first time that anybody had been able to catch one on tape. So that was kind of like redemption for me that I was not going crazy. Doctors said everything looked good and let me go a couple of hours later. So firmly believing that if anything at all had looked off they would not let me go , I have been dong well.

I know that I have never been in any danger now and things are going so much better. I am engaged and looking for a new career. My fiancee has been wonderfully supportive of my anxiety issues and I know she has been a big help in "calming my world down". I hope all of you are finding peace as well. Take care and I hope this will help somebody to.
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Reply #232 - Jan 9th, 2012, 6:48pm
 
I also think it has to do with "understanding".  We understand how to drive a car, put on the brakes, etc.  When we need an oil change, we know where to go.  When the battery dies, you replace it.  I think for me, "understanding" is very important and the things going on with palpitations is very hard to understand and truly believe.  I know the more I see here, the more comforted and less aroused I am by my symptoms.
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Reply #233 - May 15th, 2012, 8:46am
 
Hello everybody, hello RLR,

I've not posted on these boards for a good time and I thought I'd drop by and see if I could give some reassurance and maybe some hope to the others within this thread and the forums. I'm sad to see this thread not being active, but I'm also part of the reason for that.

So, I've not had any sustained anxiety or panic attacks for a long time now. I think I've come to a realisation regarding what has happened to me in life and I hope I can continue making progress with all things.

Anyway, before April 1st 2011 I had a very angry, hateful, bitter and highly stressful family member to live with (evil brother). Since moving house on April 1st 2011, and moving away from that person, I gradually began to get better and better and now on May 15th 2012 I can confidently say that my panic/anxiety has subsided to near non-existence. I still get a bit worrisome at times and only occasionally have brief moments of doubt where my heart rate starts to raise, but never have sustained "attacks" like I used to.

So anyway, the cause I believe was a combination of factors that all played a part in increasing the liklihood of anxiety and panic.

  • Health - Crohn's disease - DX 2007 (approx. 5 years)
  • Highly stressful family member - 23 years worth
  • Stagnating life at the time

There was also I believe a compound effect taking place to worsen my circumstances further. My Crohn's disease seems to respond negatively to stress, which I was laden with at the time. This had the effect of stressing me out further and pushing me over the proverbial edge.

Since moving away from my evil brother, I went from 130 lbs (early 2011 - at 5'11"), to 187 lbs at Christmas 2011, and I'm not even sure what my weight is at the current time because I'm no longer concerned with it, but I suspect I'm technically overweight now and wouldn't be surprised if I was still around the 180 - 190 mark. I'm fitter, stronger and healthier and I have lots of energy that I didn't have prior. I sleep well, I worry less and I generally feel a thousand times greater than I did. I don't fret over my resting heart rate anymore and sometimes notice it beating away nice and slow (I don't even count the rate) when I'm in bed at night. Contrast this to before when I would incessantly keep my fingers pressed to the palm of my hand to feel my pulse and would always count it at around 90-110.

I also believe a big factor in my disorder was that I slept very poorly. I slept poorly because I would go to bed and leave music playing, leave Internet videos on, leave my computer screen on and make sure there was noise so I couldn't focus on my pounding heart rate. This in turn kept me fatigued all the time. I didn't even consider this to be the cause of my fatigue, but once I moved house and had a couple of nights without my computer, and consequently no distraction, I realised that sleeping in the dark with no noise or distraction is the only way to sleep. Sometimes I fall asleep with my computer left on and I always notice the next day that I'm more tired than I should be. I'm positive that having noise or lights on while you sleep ruins your bodys rhythm and leaves your nervous system fatigued, perhaps paving the way for the symptoms such as anxiety and panic.

I remember that Dr. Rane always said that anxiety is a symptom and now I see why. Yes, it is a symptom, and one of a cause probably unknown to most people who suffer with it. I always hoped that if I overcame my problem I'd be able to give advice to others on the forum but I don't believe I can. I am now under the impression that anxiety, though common among us all, doesn't share a common cause. That is something which you must find yourself and must find a way of dealing with it once you discover what it is. Examine your life before and during anxiety; figure out what's changed from the time long before you had anxiety/panic to the time when you did.

Hope this thread comes back to life, I may post more frequently now that I'm not dependant on these forums for help.

Dr. Rane, I would also like to thank you from the bottom of my heart for being here and staying so dedicated to the forums and helping others with advice and kind words. I've no doubt I would have gotten a lot worse had I not found this forum, but I still hope that I would have found the end eventually. I don't think I will ever fully be free of the panic and anxiety that I suffered from; I believe there will always be times when insignificant matters cause me to panic, but now I'm at the stage where it just doesn't matter; unsustained worries will not affect my life any further.

Thank you.
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Reply #234 - May 15th, 2012, 8:58am
 
Really nice post, George, thanks a lot!

And I fully agree with you on the subject of the importance of sleep. And the reasons many people don't sleep so well. I bless myself for having bought dark curtains a few years ago!

I get bad sleep, though, quite easily if I eat too much too late, not to speak of course of coffee and alcohol at late hours.

Best of luck with your future development!

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Reply #235 - May 15th, 2012, 1:02pm
 
This is a great post and I am not sure why it falls so far back in the forum either.  I think the reason is that so many of us are past the panic tipping point to see and think clearly.  What I mean is panic is a natural defense that the body has built in to protect itself.  So the fear of these skipped beats has been identified by us and then labeled as a scary thing.  Once that label gets placed it is extremely difficult for the brain to take that label off.  I will give you a good example...I walk home from work often for lunch.  One day a couple of weeks ago I walked by a bush and there was a snake there and it slithered in front of me and really startled me.  I havent thought much about it and havent walked home since then but today I did.  As I past this bush today there was some concern that was building inside me....I almost had to laugh because if this event happened once and my mind has logged this place as something to pay attention too..........well how many times have I told my mind to be afraid of the skipped heartbeats????  So working backwards from this is extremely difficult.  Just my 2 cents...
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Reply #236 - May 15th, 2012, 1:31pm
 
Ok here is an old post by RLR.  I truly believe this to be the answer to our problems!  We have to change our thought patterns and reactions to these skipped beats...no matter how often, or what form they come in.  If we constantly stand fast and understand they are not going to harm our heart then they will eventually subside and even disappear!  

Easier said then done  : )

""Okay, just a comment to help further your exploration. It's important to take into account instinctual drives and archaic response sets which are common in all humans. This will help you to understand how and why the brain responds to fear stimulus.

When you experience an event that invokes fear and danger, the brain records every possible nuance associated with the event in order to establish and maintain what could be referred to as an advance warning system of sorts. For instance, if you are walking down your neighborhood street and at a precise point a bad dog emerges from a hole in your neighbor's fence and threatens or frightens you, all of your sensations whether visual, tactile, auditory, olfactory and even gustatory if involved will be established as a pattern along with physical sequelae that accompanies the event, such as rapid pulse and respiration or other changes due to sympathetic nervous response.

On any subsequent occasion that you walk down that same street, it will seem as though your defense system suddenly snaps on and just your increasing proximity to the hole in the fence will re-create the response set from the original event, causing you to prematurely avoid further approach or alternatively take a stand and confront the dog.

Once you've experienced benign palpitations and they are unwittingly perceived to be a threat, any subsequent incidence will continue to produce similar reaction until such time that you transform your perception from irrational to logical. That is in part, the goal of this forum, to provide you with facts that can gradually restore the proper perspective and logical resolution to the circumstances. You are repeatedly frightened and your confidence challenged because of what you believe benign palpitations to represent.

This pattern, however, is cause for you to explore the matter far more in depth because it most often exists in a similar form with respect to historical patterns and not merely the onset of benign palpitation events.

In sum, take the content being developed on this thread and apply it to yourself from the standpoint of looking more in depth at the rationales being explored. How we communicate these perspectives outwardly is not how they are dealt with internally.

The car accident example is merely to portray the relative risk that we rationalize on a daily basis, moreover our perceptions versus the actual potential at any given interval.

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Reply #237 - May 15th, 2012, 10:02pm
 
Since I posted my last post there has been over 50 views of this post...RLR is right.  There is something holding people back from getting involved here and I am not quite sure what it is?  If you are like me I go through big ups and downs with my life and these skipped beats.  There are times where they dont bother me and other times where I wish they would just take me.  Out of all the sites I have ever been on this is by far the most helpful.  I am hoping we can get this thread rolling again because I would definitely like to live the rest of my life to the fullest.  The last 6 years have been wasted on fear and anxiety and I want my life back!
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Reply #238 - May 16th, 2012, 6:46am
 
I understand what you say.
I'm reading a lot of threads everyday just to ensure me its normal what I feel. The problem is that symptoms keep comming back or adding and that people in your environment who also had controls with doctors still had a heart attack or died not many months years later at a young age (38 - 45 zone)
I allways experience a lot of pain on my chest..sometimes left , sometimes right. It allways includes myarm and shoulder left..and jaws sometimes. I had check ups (a couple) and the last was a year ago.
For the last week I experience a reasonably hight heart rate while lying down reading a book or looking tv..(95-105) AND THIS LASTS FOR HOURS ..IT WONT GO DOWN.  Adding the constant pain on my chest and arm and shoulder and the fact I dont exercise a lot due to my anxiety over my symptoms I sometimes think my heart is getting weaker and have to work harder. i also have years of palpitations and spasms. The problem is also I dont go to a doctor anymore cause they now think its allways stress or anxiety cause I am monitored for sometimes till a year ago. The only fear that remains is that WHAT if it is a problem now and nobody notices it anymore cause I wont go to a doc anymore hearing over and over again I worry too much (which I did). My symptoms arent normal. and allthough it could be stress or anxiety..being under stress for years cant be healthy either..

So yes I do believe everything I read here..but its not science. things happen and Being under anxiety stress or doubt cant be healthy. and even when people are checked out they still get heart attacks..or die.. and doc said not long before nothing is wrong.

it will allways be difficult I quess
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Reply #239 - May 16th, 2012, 7:35am
 
I have read a lot of information from Claire Weekes and between her and RLR I have found that I am able to hold down the fort so to speak on this tremendous fear I have self created.  However just holding down the fort is not good enough for me.  I want to "lose the fear".  RLR talks about finding a root cause for the fear and Claire Weekes talks about Facing, Accepting, Floating and Letting time pass and says its not necessary to find a root cause to recovery from anxiety.   So I am a little confused on how to proceed going forward!  The days I use Claire Weekes methods without question are my better days until I have a bad skipped beat day and then for 24-48 hours it seems like all hope is lost, and that I fear that I dont just have benign palpitations and I am going to die and leave my 2 kids and pregnant wife behind......or my other fear is what if my anxiety gets so bad that I lose my job and am unable to work and make a living for my family.  The cycle is endless and exhausting.  Thats why I am going to use this forum as much as possible because this is not a life I want to live.  I know I can do it with the input of others and RLR.  I dont speak much to ANYONE about my heart or anxiety so having this outlet is my only true voice outside of my head.
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