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Reply #135 - Aug 31st, 2010, 11:46pm
 
Sorry if I have made this thread go off track, but that is the one thing I would change.

I have heard quite a few times that I shouldn't be stuck in a boring dead end job if I can paint like I do, but that just makes things worse, as it makes me feel even more stuck to be honest (if you know what I mean).

It's like everyone is telling me "what the hell are you doing in that job! your an artist" then I am thinking "I need to get out of this job! I want / should be able to make a living out of this" but I only seem to get 1/2 way to earning enough money to leave the factory.

I'm sure the internet and teaching via it is the way to secure my income through art, selling my pictures would then be the icing on the cake, so to speak.

Perhaps I need a webmaster to sort out the site etc don't know, and they cost a LOT.

Hi Typer,
Yes I paint anything, but wildlife is my love.

Anyway, enough about me  Wink  , lets try to get this thread back on target, it seems like the last week I havent made any more progress on my journey.  Undecided
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Reply #136 - Sep 1st, 2010, 2:52am
 
I think what you are saying though, is very relevant. I mean dissatisfaction in a job and the boredom must add to how you feel generally.


What I meant before, about everything not having to be connected to past trauma is that...our past may pave the way for what we do and how we handle the now...but it is the now we must deal with.

It happens that some situations are not so easy to change. For example your job. It would be fine if someone would keep you while you set up something else. But, when you have a family and commitments - well then it can seem unreachable and we can slump back into a kind of depressing acceptance.

But, nothing is impossible, hard yes, but not impossible.

Perhaps rather than jump into ideas quickly, you could discuss options with someone - see what ideas spring to mind.Perhaps you need to widen your horizons rather than make them higher.  Maybe join a forum/community of artists...get some ideas from them. See what other people are doing. Where is there a nitch in the market. Seek out work for example from publishers as a free lance illustrator, or advertising companies etc.

It may seem off thread - but to me we are all trying to find how to feel okay in our lives and turning those things over with each other. It will be individual
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Reply #137 - Sep 1st, 2010, 12:40pm
 
Typer, your VERY wise  Smiley I'm lucky to have you as a friend here on the forum  Wink

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Reply #138 - Sep 1st, 2010, 5:07pm
 
I think we are a really helpful bunch of people. This thread seems to have slowed down.
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Reply #139 - Sep 1st, 2010, 11:41pm
 
Your right Typer, regarding the thread slowing, I think most of us have come to a stalemate now, not sure what we should be doing to progress, so peoples attention is now going back to their symptoms, and you can see quite an increase in that type of post again on the forum.

Seems we came quite a way, but are now slipping back in to old habits again which is the curse of our lives.
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Reply #140 - Sep 2nd, 2010, 12:34am
 
jason wrote on Aug 31st, 2010, 11:46pm:
Sorry if I have made this thread go off track, but that is the one thing I would change.

I have heard quite a few times that I shouldn't be stuck in a boring dead end job if I can paint like I do, but that just makes things worse, as it makes me feel even more stuck to be honest (if you know what I mean).

It's like everyone is telling me "what the hell are you doing in that job! your an artist" then I am thinking "I need to get out of this job! I want / should be able to make a living out of this" but I only seem to get 1/2 way to earning enough money to leave the factory.

I'm sure the internet and teaching via it is the way to secure my income through art, selling my pictures would then be the icing on the cake, so to speak.

Perhaps I need a webmaster to sort out the site etc don't know, and they cost a LOT.

Hi Typer,
Yes I paint anything, but wildlife is my love.

Anyway, enough about me  Wink  , lets try to get this thread back on target, it seems like the last week I havent made any more progress on my journey.  Undecided


Meh!  A blog/album site on a content management system....SIMPLES!  I work in IT but am not technical in any way.  Took me about a day to work out a simple Blog site (well two in fact).  With a pointer on where to start I think anybody can do it! Tongue
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Reply #141 - Sep 2nd, 2010, 4:06am
 
Great idea Stav. In fact when you blog. you can join a blogging community plus get the blog up on face book.

I was thinking about this thread last night. I guess what RLR was indicating is that the reason he cant give us a magic cure is because there is no magic cure. I think when he said the cure is inside us, and he may correct me if I have this wrong, but I think he wanted us to help each other explore our own, individual reasons for what brought the palps about.

I think we all agree that fundamentally, the reason they began and indeed continue is due stress and/or anxiety. This has caused our nervous systems to go into a sort of overdrive. Plus if we continue to stress, or continue doing and thinking the same things, if we continue to stay in the place that caused us to get these palps, then they continue.

Some situations are not so easily solved. For example I need to get this house finished and sell it...but lurking beneath that are some other unresolved issues. Not so much with other people or situations, more how I deal with those. For all my years of searching and insight, I am aware that my journey is ongoing and there are things I need to change about me.
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Reply #142 - Sep 2nd, 2010, 4:17am
 
I still wonder, however, why we have gotten to this stage but the majority of people never do.

Most of us can list our stressors and things that cause us anxiety quite easily and quickly and I think most of us jumped in pretty quickly in this thread and actually did list them, pretty sure I did.

But RLR wanted us to look beyound cause and effect, and said to me back then that I wasn't even at a place where I could actually see the real causes, I don't feel I have moved much beyound that point.

So I wonder if we are not really there yet, as you said you have been searching for years for insight, so will any more years of searching in the same way make you see anything differently?

Not trying to be negative, just progress  Wink
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Reply #143 - Sep 2nd, 2010, 4:22am
 
Yes I think it will. because the up side of these physical symptoms (which is a hard concept to contemplate) is that it has caused me to not plod on aimlessly. It has allowed me to review where I am and look at where I want to be.

For me its about the changes I knew I should make but never did. Not sure if that makes any sense
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Reply #144 - Sep 2nd, 2010, 4:34am
 
Hi Typer,
Yes it makes sense, it's pushing / forcing you to be proactive and do what you know needs to be done.  Wink

With that comes the realization, as we have stated many times, that we are obviously causing these palps and other symptoms by keeping our bodies / minds on a state of moderate to high alert, due to the unresolved conflict within each of us.

When we feel that we have more direction in our lives then things should subside and go back to alert off on the switch, so to speak.

So when RLR used the analogy of OZ was he merely (but importantly)pointing out to us that those characters had lost direction in their lives, due to the things they thought they lacked and that in our own ways each of us had also lost our own way and direction in our lives too, and that we needed to find our true directions.

And also how the Tin man for instance fixated on the fact that he needed a heart to feel complete, but he just needed to realize that it was already there and not fixate on the symptom (no heart beat), which was distracting him from living his life normally and to the full???
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Reply #145 - Sep 2nd, 2010, 2:52pm
 
Okay, excellent interpretations being made here and this is precisely the kind of logic and analytical thinking all of you need to utilize, for it will carry you to the place you need to be in order to realize where you have taken the fork in the road to your present status.

You've now begun to leave the irrational planes associated with physical causes for your difficulties and headed toward the introspective realm where at some point, you'll be able to identify, evaluate and alter the underlying cause for the problems which have ultimately led you to an altered life.
Excellent.

Best regards and Good Health

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Reply #146 - Sep 3rd, 2010, 3:04am
 
I agree with RLR it is important to recognise the palps are coming from psychological rather than physical causes.

Also, I think Typer's comments earlier rang very true for me. In that it is more important to focus on where we are Now, and where we are headed, rather than how we got here.

We got here by not paying attention to where we were going, and if we carry on not paying attention, we will end up somewhere else we don't want to be! The answer for me was to set goals and do something every day, however small, towards acheiving them.

Any thoughts anyone?
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Reply #147 - Sep 3rd, 2010, 4:12am
 
Oh.... i've always got thoughts Jules. That just might never be right ha.... Cheesy

I think your right though - it's important, no , essential, to have some sort of goals to give direction to life, they dont have to be massive like earning a million, but they have to be there all the same, something to get up for in the morning, something that brightens your day.

I also think you need to have passion in something, whether that is a hobby, family or whatever.

I'm sure you can expend on your thoughts Jules, I'd love to hear more, plus examples if possible  Wink

I think after the downturn of posts on this thread we have started to get it to move along again and it appears in the right direction  Smiley
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Reply #148 - Sep 3rd, 2010, 5:03am
 
Jules I agree, goals are important and each of us will have some that are more meaningful than others.

I do have hobbies (I write short stories and make cards and jewellery) but these will not resolve the life issues I have to deal with. In a way they encourage me to procrastinate.

Here I am, I have my mindfulness medication  tapes, my dancing tapes and a host of "get me well" paraphernalia and what do I do, I waste time on the computer or doing things that bring nothing but more stress.

Jason, we could do with sharing or maybe swapping some of our traits, I need some more get up and go, maybe you need some more of my problem where I tend to sit down and wait. LOL


I have been reading this wonderful book, recommended by the cardiology registrar. A Search in Secret India.

I had supposed he recommended it re my interest in meditation and our chat about yogi's and healing etc.

Well I began it, and fell into it right away. Its so beautifully written. At first I thought it was just this one man's search for true Yogi's as well as seeking out frauds and so on. The man was a journalist and a skeptic. But what he found offers so much hope. The write up's on Amazon say it all. It was written in 1934.

Anway (she takes a breath) I have reached the part that is to teach me how to heal my body and keep it as healthy as possible. It is so fascinating and I shall really MAKE myself begin the practice of mediation on a regular basis.


Here is a link for anyone interested in this method, whilst I do realize its not everyone's idea for healing

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Search-Secret-India-Paul-Brunton/dp/1844130436
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Reply #149 - Sep 4th, 2010, 8:53pm
 
Thanks for mentioning that book, Typer.  I will have to check it out.  I tend to want to rush to the doctor when anything is a little off to get my peace of mind from him, but I am wanting to be able to find peace of mind from within.  Needing to see the doctor for reassurance seems to feed a cycle of anxiety for me.  Figuring out how to deal with it on my own stops the cycle.  Easier on the wallet, too.  Smiley  

I'm now trying to set little goals for myself in this way.  If I feel some new sensation or odd thing, instead of making an appt right away, I will tell myself to give it a week, and if it is still bothering me in a week, I could call.  It helps me to calm down, be more observant, and see if there really is a problem or if I am just being sensitive to every odd feeling or sensation I feel in a day.

thanks again for the book recommendation.
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