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Jan 16th, 2013, 3:51pm
 
Hello all,

This is my first post and I feel very fortunate to have found this forum. I am a 46 year old male with a long history of anxiety, panic attacks and heart palpitations. I have been to numerous doctors, cardiologists and therapists over the years. I have had EKG's, stress tests, echocardiograms and holter monitors for one to thirty days. All tests have come back fine with the holter monitor showing PVC's.

My heart/anxiety issues are periodic and always come full force with big changes in my life. My first episode was my senior year of high school at the first football game of the year. After we did our warm-ups we came back into the locker for last minute coaching instructions and I started to hyperventilate. I started to freak out and had that impending doom feeling. I started the game but came out soon because I was still freaking out. My father found me a therapist when all medical tests came back normal.

Not to be too long winded, but I got back to normal and then six years later my first son was born and it started all over again. My wife and parents put me in the psychiatric ward of the local hospital where they kept me pretty drugged up for a week. I told my wife to get me out of there ASAP!

Over the next 20 years or so, I have gone from feeling great to having terrible anxiety/panic attacks and heart palps. Always happens when circumstances change in my life.

My doctors have all told me the PVC's are not life threatening. I have been on different meds for many years. Currently I am taking Pristiq and Ativan.

I have been married for 25 years to a very supportive wife and have three sons 22, 18 and 14. My parents are very supportive as well.

I have some much love and support, but I can't seem to convince myself that my heart is fine. I have the feeling that I will drop dead of cardiac arrest.

I have done a great job hiding my anxieties from bosses, co-workers and casual friends. I have done my best to keep it from my children as well.

I feel it is a vicious cycle. The anxiety causes palps and the palps cause anxiety/panic.

I do appreciate this forum and RLR. I have read many posts and I have been doing better after reading so many. It is very comforting and eye opening to know so many other people have these issues. As we all know, it is impossible for someone who has not gone through this to know how debilitating it can be.

I will continue to read this forum and hopefully get my mind right.

Greg
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Reply #1 - Jan 16th, 2013, 5:30pm
 
Welcome to the forum and I've read your posting and concerns.

I'm as much taken aback that the psychiatric ward would place you in a bed there for any period of time as I am that your family felt it was necessary. Your difficulty in no way constitutes the need for psychiatric treatment.

Your problem is central to believing and trusting in your instincts to a greater extent than the actual facts which exist. This is quite normal because when your perceptions demonstrate that your life may be in peril, the brain actually takes such a notion no less seriously than if it were actually the case. This is know generally as a fight or flight response and such patterns are instinctual for humans and lower animal forms alike.

It is quite easy to see this response in its elemental form by observing lower animal species, which operate in the environment using basic behavioral characteristics that are frequently imposed upon by fight or flight circumstances within the environment. In other words, actual risk is more frequent in the lower animal kingdom because it is more explicitly dependent upon survival as part of the evolutionary patterns in life. Mankind is a departure from this obvious characteristic because of higher-ordered brain function. As humans, we have the capacity to analyze the relative nature of risk and impose judgments about the proximity of either harm or safety. Sometimes we choose wisely, other times not so well.

The important factor here is that biological forces are at work with respect to the nature of panic threshold events and fear of the type which plays a role. Understand that the brain is hardwired to respond to the vast sensory network within the body and with particular attention to the environment, provides constant feedback which aside from anything more cerebral determines one's relevant status regarding safety or danger. Again, this dichotomy is a meter of survival capacity of sorts and regardless of the fact that humans are not necessarily imposed upon by predation as lower animals might be, the perception of danger and safety causes the brain to act equally in response. In other words, whether real or imagined, the brain responds identically.

If you believe that something is wrong with you of a nature that can cause your death, it is a threat to your survival and the brain acts instinctively to produce changes necessary to best identify and overcome the threat by confrontation or escape. Again, this characteristic response is well-demonstrated in lower mammals and to understand it is to understand yourself in a certain manner.

Panic threshold events arise basically because of sensory overload and the locus coeruleus region of the brain is stimulated, producing a sort of flash-flood of emotions, panic and anxiety among them. Physiological changes are induced that are most often mistaken for symptoms that something is going seriously wrong, when in fact it is an entirely normal response parameter for the circumstances which exist.

The cyclic effect of panic is evident in health anxiety because despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, the patient continues to believe that something serious is wrong because the brain is instinctively inducing vigilance to define the cause. Patients feel compelled to keep searching and the deep-rooted instincts that something is wrong feel entirely normal and accurate. They are, however, purely contrived by misperceptions that danger to survival exists. So it is that the healthcare system courts the patient's need to continually search for a cause that in reality does not exist and any reassurance is short-lived by the subsequent compelling need to search further and with greater intensity. Negative test results are discounted as inaccurate or not sensitive enough and only reinforces the driven need to remain vigilant. Patients often need the physician to "capture" palpitation events with the notion that seeing them will constitute the long sought after definition of the problem. This is a clear departure from the actual fact that we do not need to see such events to know their nature because we are looking for the absence of certain criterion on the test strip to determine the nature of the events.

The core of your difficulty rests upon the fact that you are unable to trust in the actual facts which exist because you believe that your life is in peril and the brain continues to respond to best protect you from demise, which in all reality is nothing more than misperception.

You must come to realize that you are in no danger whatsoever and that you are basing your fears upon circumstances which you attempting to interpret in the absence of the requisite skills and training to do so accurately. By simple example, if I feel that the brakes on my car are malfunctioning based upon my interpretation of how they should function, I am going to bring my car to the mechanic and desperately work to make him see my difficulty because otherwise I am having to constantly check the brake pedal while driving to make certain that the brakes have not failed. I assure the mechanic that I know my vehicle best and something doesn't feel right, but despite my efforts the mechanic can find no problem. I am left with the anxiety that my brakes could fail at any moment, so I start changing my route to one with less traffic and start braking far in advance of the time necessary because the uncertainty must be mitigated in order to avoid catastrophe. In doing so, I have opted to mistrust my professional mechanic and instead rely upon my instincts because it feels more accurate to do so. Since the mechanic can't actually prove to me that the brakes won't fail, I must continue to believe that they will. In fact, it has worried and distracted me to the extent that I've decided to stop driving at all except in the case of emergency.

This example should help induce the insight necessary to see how a departure from reality can be established due to misperception which induces fear of peril. It is the purposeful vigilance to find the cause for fear and in the absence of doing so, retreat to safety instead. Either way, it satisfies the fight or flight instinctual drive.  

You are in no actual danger whatsoever. I was a physician and specialist for more than 40 years and I created this forum to help folks better understand themselves and how it relates to health matters.

Spend some time speaking with the other members here and we'll talk more once my comments have generated some questions or comments. You're going to be just fine.

Best regards,

Rutheford Rane, MD (ret.)

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Reply #2 - Jan 16th, 2013, 6:59pm
 
Hello tiredofpvcs!

I just wanted to let you know that I can identify with your post immensely, however I am a tad younger than you at 26. I too have a tough time dealing with the physical symptoms of anxiety - which only further perpetuates my anxiety even more. I just started therapy myself, and I am hoping that I will be able to overcome my irrational fear of dying even after being cleared by many doctors.

When I am in the right state of mine I can see how ridiculous it all seems, but when I get the weird physical sensation followed by the rush of panic no one in the world can convince me otherwise. The sense of doom is such a terrible feeling, and it really starts to put a damper on life and relationships.

I am at the beginning of trying to regain a grip on feeling normal again, but from what I've read and what I've practiced and what seems to help me is to differentiate the physical symptom from the emotional response. When you get the symptom you have to immediately tell yourself its just a natural response from your body and nothing more. You have to say I can deal with this - because as soon as you give in to your irrational fears it perpetuates the cycle. Yes we may not have control over the sensation, but we can control the response.

Also, don't think that you'll be able to fight off every irrational thought, because you will just be lying to yourself. But if you can persevere a little more every day you'll begin to notice the physical ailments start to reduce.

For me I noticed this after my first week of trying to not give in to my irrational fear. For over a month my legs felt like weights were attached to them and they felt weak. After one week of fighting the fear my legs are starting to feel normal again.

I hope this helps a little - I am sure you might have some great advice for me since you have dealt with this for so long!

What I need help with is identifying where do I put unneeded pressure on myself and how can I change my perspective to lessen the burden of stress.
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Reply #3 - Jan 17th, 2013, 3:54pm
 
RLR,

Thank you for your reply and for this forum. I have truly seen an improvement in my attitude and reaction to my palps since spending time in this forum.

I know it is a slow process to re-train my brain, but all my small steps are welcome.

Sincerely,
Greg
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Reply #4 - Jan 17th, 2013, 4:40pm
 
Rebem86,

Thanks for the reply.

For all the years of on and off therapy, my last therapist gave me some interesting insight. He told me I was a "survivor". He meant it as a positive and said my years of suffering with anxiety and panic has made me just that. I live with these irrational thoughts and physcial manifestations yet I am still here. It made me think about all the times I was sure that "this is it, I am going to die", but lived to see another day.

When I think about how many hours/days I have wasted worrying and being anxious I am ashamed. My wife and children deserve better and so do I.

Exercise really helps me with my anxiety, but I am too sporadic with it. I have a big problem staying with the things that lower my anxiety (e.g., journaling, exercise, relaxation and deep breathing). I will start off strong then slowly stop because of laziness or any other excuse I can think of.

I think you are definitely on the right course with controlling your response to the sensations. Easier said than done as you know. What has really helped me is this forum. Reading many posts by others and RLR has really been a revelation.

I wish you the best with your journey and appreciate you post.

Greg
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Reply #5 - Jan 17th, 2013, 6:26pm
 
I have only recently found this forum and I too get a lot of peace of mind reading other people's experiences and RLR's very down-to earth-advice. I started experiencing heart palpitations last year although my anxiety started about 11 years ago. I had my anxiety pretty much under control until 2 years ago when it started to impact again on my life again. At least I thought it started around 2 years ago until I read one of RLR's posts to someone else about how a major life event can be the beginning point. It made me think back and I realised that my anxiety actually started to return 4 years ago when my mother died. She died of an enlarged heart and somewhere inside my mind I must have been worrying that the same things would happen to me. One week after she died I started experiencing vision problems. 11 years ago my first symptoms of HA were vision problems. It took a lot for my doctor, optometrist and an eye specialist to convince me that there was nothing wrong with my vision. Following that I had numerous imaginary illnesses which resulted in endless visits to my doctor and sometimes even specialists. Eventually my doctor sent me to a psychiatrist and from that point on my anxiety began to improve to the point where I could manage it myself. I find that relaxation techniques help me enormously if I am experiencing heart palpitations. I seem to be able to manage these well but I am still manifesting a new imagined illness every now and then. I also regret the amount of time that I have wasted giving into these negative thoughts.
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Reply #6 - Jan 25th, 2013, 3:48pm
 
It is amazing what the mind is capable of conjuring up. I am glad the therapy is helping you and I agree the relaxation is helpful. Staying away from caffeine is a smart move as well.

My mother is in stage four liver cancer right now, but thankfully I have been stable and strong with her and my father. This forum has helped me immensely as I would usually be a mess right now with this situation in my life.

I just try to get better one day at a time and do the little things I know will help. Trying to re-wire my brain after all these years is a slow task, but I feel I am gaining on it. I am learning to trust the doctors and myself.
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