update

I went back to my fysiotherapist who is skilled in anxiety like disorders.
I went back cause I need to work on my cognitive behaviour to my bodily symptoms. The need for explanation, re assurance.
I know I have severe pain and chestproblems, skin burning, some strange values. today a vitamine D deficiency came through the labtests and you can read also I found something new the EKG said. non specific interventricular conduction delay.
the cardio a month ago said everything was fine but the paper that was sent to me told that the EKG had read this
So again I start to wonder whats wrong

I genuinly feel this cant go on.
OR i am in severe problems , which would mean all doctors are morons cause they dont seem to think so... or seem to take pleasure to think everone is a hypochondriac or.... I am the moron...

So i caved in. I am the moron.
I went to her..told her everything and she understood and told me that

- I have been training my brain to think i;m in constant danger. I became highly sensitive of bodily sensations, interpretated them als dangerous or not normal, so my brain has become familiar with that

She told me that its completely logical that if I believed that exercise was too much for my body, my brain started to act like that and gave impulses to my body for it. I have pavlov´ed myself that pain is not normal and therefore i'm in danger that now my brain and body use pain . anything closely related to doing something that I normally think as ( well I dont know, This is not normal, I dont trust this, I'll probabably fall dead if doing that, my heart cant take this) only the idea of doing it or before doing this triggers an immediate (anxiety and pain response) in my body.

consequense.. I´m not using my body anymore and I feed and stimulate the fear and the pain and symptoms. therefore the body weakens.
any time I try to exercise, sometimes just walking, I usualy get triggered with more symptoms,
this is normal she said.  your brain starts to tell your body..DANGER
THIS is what we told each other NOT to do. so STOP.
you have to learn your brain again there is no danger. but first this will probably increase your symptoms while starting to change this behaviour by moving.
I needed to accept this and not try to explain it. or feel it. Just let it be.. take it with you in your back pack ..and thats it.it will not go away, but you dont have to feed it. Its in there and it stays in there.

I told her I was afraid of doing that,so I knew it was the right hit on the nail what she told me.
She said..ask your last medical questions and then close it in your back pack

I told her that I did want to know about the thing I wrote just earlier in a new thread.
She said..ok..try to get your answer and then it stops..
you need to change your approach here.
It will be a bumpy ride.and was going to be tough

Lot to digest. Its scary..but it makes a lot of sense.
I hope i'm strong enough..

Of course I can't tell about you and your situation, but I have heard and read - and felt - many times that stomach related issues can have an impact on or feel like heartsymptoms.

I feel with you in the frustrations of not being able to tell what causes what.
I seem to go through changing periods of symptoms and not having symptoms. And when they are there often, I can't help looking for reasons. One sure trigger in my case is rather big meals with deserts and wine in the (late) evening. But I also get my symptoms in other situations. At the moment I feel it can be quite positional. If I lie on the - especially left - side, I get "a spell" more easily, it seems, than if lying on the back. Actually I get them mosten often when lying down. Unfortunately the "cure" of getting up and get going isn't so attractive at night.

Good luck.

I was wondering how you guys are?
Lately I only read myself at this thread. Although I'm a nice guy I would really like to read how you all are doing .

update myself.
I 'm exercising a bit more. almost everyday i',m walking a few miles and I notice i'm a bit more active. I keep noticing I have pain on my chest for 24 hours a day. This is going on for almost months now. Lot of burping. At night laying down the pain on my back I feel the pressure on my chest.
I notice I really never stop focussing or thinking about WHY I feel what I feel. Its like a radar tuning in. There are moment I still think I have angina pectoris or heartlike problems. Then often i think. Almost impossible cause why should you feel constant pain there for months and still be here? doesnt make sense.
Then I suddenly sometimes wonder if my oesophagus or stomach have a problem. offcourse cancer being a true anxiety like hypochondriac like person crosses my mind then.
the strangest thing is , I got an instant lumbago . .. try to carry something and poooff my back instantly reacted. this time middle of my back . could hardly breath from the pain and I could hardly move due to the pain. Then I dont mind having this pain. the first day I really couldnt move from the pain but still I walked and so on. When I know what it is , I dont seem to mind pain at all. But the problems on my chest are much more a problem for me. I just dont trust the sensations. More and more my attention shifts to my oesophagus And really thinks my problems arise from problems in there.
Most of my pain is always a bit to the right of the middle of my sternum and a bit to the right of my ribcage below. the whole of my chest and ribs and arms and shoulders and to the back often hurts, but that right side of the sternum is really always there. adding up the excessive burping and you know that I will start to wonder..

Is there anybody who can tell me if this is oesophagus related?
or would oesophagus problems be right behind the sternum or left?
When I lay at my right or left side the pain increases a bit. WOuld my oesophagus react to this?


I hope you guys do better !!

hi Martin

good to hear from you.
So the vagus nerve and the correlation between stomach and palps again made !!
Very good to know (again).
I probably do fit the hypochondriac type of person. Although I sometimes bring on that I wasnt this way BEFORE my sensations.
I will add that no sensation ever leaves. I have always the same sensations. or get more. Only the sensations on my chest shift from left to right sometimes. The way how I try to explain it, differs a lot.
Heart, angina pectoris artherosclerosis, than oesophagus , then the worry maybe something neurological cause I do have skin burning and sore muscles. and so on.
thats the anxiety and hypochondriac in me. I want everything to be explained perfectly and than I accept the pain or sensation. like the lumbago in my back now. It doesnt stop me at all, cause i know what it is and I dont mind.
I wish my symptoms and sensation took a weektrip or went on a holiday.  

again nice to hear from you !!
Keep the faith !

martinpetersen wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012, 5:49am:


That really is a shot in the dark. None of the disciplines you mention are scientific or evidence-based. Accupuncture? I'd be willing to stick a load of pins in you for free if I thought it would help and save you the health lecture from an unqualified, non-professional "practitioner".

I don't even know what Craniosacral therapy is, but is sounds like crap to me. The 1st line on the Wikipedia article states:


Quote:


And if it's used by osteopaths, naturopaths, chiropractors and quacks, it must be BS. It wouldn't surprise me if homeopathy found its way in there somewhere. I don't know about hypnosis, but I think it's BS too. The respectable British magician Derren Brown uses a "psychological twist" in his acts. It's all showmanship and traditiional magic, but he often uses hypnotism as part of his shows and he claims that almost everyone is just playing along. He actually does many shows debunking psychics, mediums and other psychologial trickery like this.

There's no reason to go down the alternative route. Why go for alternative, when there are proven treatments available in the standard route? The alternative route is filled with snake oil salesmen, lies, false claims and is actually quite dangerous to those with serious conditions.

When I was really ill with Crohn's, I was desperate for a cure or treatment that worked aside from standard drugs. I went down the alternative route and tried herbs, diets and lifestyles and none of it worked. I must have been taking about 10 different herbal capsules a day and I'm just glad that most of that stuff doesn't work because if it had have been filled with active ingredients, it may have done some damage. I never fell for the accupuncture or homeopathy crap, that's just ridiculous; though I think there may be some evidence accupuncture has been used successfully for headaches and migraines (but really, just take some painkillers).

George, I don't think you should put all the alternative stuff in one big trash can. You might be right that some or most of it is close to swindle and a lot might not be evidence based, that is "western-medicine"-evidence. But really: acupuncture is more that just stickin' pins in random places in people; the Chinese have uses this technique for 100s of years, and it does have an effect on some symptoms. As far as I know, among other things as painkiller and anaesteziser. Actually quite a few traditionally educated doctors have learned acupuncture and use it now and then.

And I think that's interesting in this forum and when discussing Richie's and other people's symptoms. Because we are talking a lot about sensations, right?
We sense palps, pains, burning or whatever. And we learn from RLR that once our hearts have been tested ok, these sensations are benign. And by realizing that, a lot of anxiety might be diminished.

But still we FEEL these thing and they annoy us. Some of them can be explained (GI-system-vagus nerve-heart or axiety-vagus nerve-heart) But it's not easy to break these "chains", and since the nervous system is involved, since the brain with all it's "understanding" of pain and origin of pain is involved, why should we not try or experiment for instance with a technique like acupunture, which in some way must involve the nervous system, though the Chinese call it "medians".

Maybe you're right, George, about the Cranio-Sacral-stuff  
I actually tried it once, and, well I don't know excatly what it did, but one thing it actually did, was work as a method of relaxation. And relaxation is certainly one of many means to treat anxiety, so ...

Why not see if some of these alternative techniques might help people with their benign but annoying symptoms?

This is - as far as I can see - a medical performed study of the effects of acupuncture:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17237661

These are articles which in more general terms describe what acupuncture can do.
http://acupuncturecourse.org.uk/acupuncture/patientnotes.html
http://altmedicine.about.com/od/acupunctur1/a/acupuncture_pain.htm

Doctors using acupuncture:
http://www.modestopaindoctor.com
http://www.foleyacupuncture.com

These links might not provide the scientific evidence you are talking about, but at the least they show that quite a few, well trained and educated doctors and others use the technique of acupuncture and experience a certain degree of succes with it.

Martin

hi Big Country

Again congrats with your 3rd born child and a SON!!
great !

Also very good news you do better.
I hope, I really hope you are right and it will get better!!

keep the faith and hang in there